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Bit quiet on here at the moment, but since I know you all love to see a nice shiny roman coin I'll post a recent aquisition.

C Antestius - The Dioscuri and dog

Silver Denarius
Rome 146 BC

Obverse:-
C ANTESTI
Roma in winged helmet, X under chin.
Reverse:-
Dioscuri galloping right, below a dog leaping right both forelegs raised,
Roma in exergue.



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I like the movement of the Dioscuri galloping with spears and leaping dog running alongside, on a serious mission to somewhere !

Are there many coins with dogs featured ?
I'm sure you'd like to show yours off too...




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Looks like a 'Gallic' poodle !
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I don't think I have ever seen a dog on an ancient. This may be the one and only ?
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HeHe..I thought that too RVFVS..but these Roman Gallic poodles can rip your arms off !!
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Wow, very nice. How about the size and weight?
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The only other canine subject (outside of Romulus & Remus) I can think of is the wolfs head ID'd as Draco on the Dacian reverses of Decius. There must me more.
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Hmm, I seem to recall some Roman reverses where the standing figure has a dog at his feet


The dog from the Odyssey is also featured on a coin...I can't remember which one but here is an except from the book... Odysseus is disguised and has returned home to find his house in disarray.

As they were speaking, a dog that had been lying asleep raised his head and pricked up his ears. This was Argos, whom Odysseus had bred before setting out for Troy, but he had never had any enjoyment from him. In the old days he used to be taken out by the young men when they went hunting wild goats, or deer, or hares, but now that his master was gone he was lying neglected on the heaps of mule and cow dung that lay in front of the stable doors till the men should come and draw it away to manure the great close; and he was full of fleas. As soon as he saw Odysseus standing there, he dropped his ears and wagged his tail, but he could not get close up to his master. When Odysseus saw the dog on the other side of the yard, dashed a tear from his eyes without Eumaeus seeing it, and said:'Eumaeus, what a noble hound that is over yonder on the manure heap: his build is splendid; is he as fine a fellow as he looks, or is he only one of those dogs that come begging about a table, and are kept merely for show?'
'This dog,' answered Eumaeus, 'belonged to him who has died in a far country. If he were what he was when Odysseus left for Troy, he would soon show you what he could do. There was not a wild beast in the forest that could get away from him when he was once on its tracks. But now he has fallen on evil times, for his master is dead and gone, and the women take no care of him. Servants never do their work when their master's hand is no longer over them, for Zeus takes half the goodness out of a man when he makes a slave of him.' So saying he entered the well-built mansion, and made straight for the riotous pretenders in the hall. But Argos passed into the darkness of death, now that he had fulfilled his destiny of faith and seen his master once more after twenty years.

Homer, Odyssey, Book 17, ll. 290-327


Anyway cool coin, roman republic coins generally rock.
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Interesting to see a dog, I know they used dogs in warfare. I wonder if this is supposed to represent that?
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Hi harrison2
Sorry ommitted important info.
the coin is:-
3.6 grams 18.3mm

Hi DavidUK
aww thats a sad story..but I'm sure somebody on the forum has one of the coins..would be nice.

Hi echizento
Think I read somewhere that the Dioscuri are Castor and Pollux (the 2 bright stars in the Gemini constellation) and just below the constellation is Canis Minor- the small dog.
That seems to fit in.
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great coin, castor/pollux and dog...triple cool!
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Think I read somewhere that the Dioscuri are Castor and Pollux (the 2 bright stars in the Gemini constellation) and just below the constellation is Canis Minor- the small dog.
That seems to fit in.

You are correct, astronomically; Castor and Pollux are the two bright stars at the "heads" end of the constellation Geminii, the constellation Canis Minor is right next to them.

Although in Greco-Roman astro-mythology the "two dogs", Canis Major and Canis Minor, are both considered to be companions of Orion the Hunter, Canis Minor is much closer in the sky to Geminii than it is to Orion.

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I don't think I have ever seen a dog on an ancient. This may be the one and only ?

There are plenty of dogs on ancient coins. Some examples:

Ulysses and his dog on a serrated denarius.

Diana with three hunting-dogs on another early denarius.

Just a dog by itself on a primitive quadrans.

Pluto with Cerberus his three-headed dog on an antoninianus of Caracalla.
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Ulysses and his dog is the coin I was speaking of...made memorable by the story I posted earlier.

This coin isn't mine but is another example of a Roman republic coin featuring a dog. Also browsing online I see that some staters feature a dog mark below Pegasus.



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"Dogo Dogore Pupsi Bitem" ..... The sum total of my High School memories !
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Pecuniaria, thank you for posting the size info. I'm an 18mm coin collector and am always on the lookout for a fresh coin to consider for the collection.

I hope to get an ancient like yours someday, nice 18mm round shape. Problem seems to be that they always cost so much! hahahaa....oh well.
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By coincidence, I was attributing an AE of Diadumenian I got, similar to this, Artemis & Hound.
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http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/diad...mov_1302.txt


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