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Pillar of the Community
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...:WNA:US:1123New seller - love comments: Quote:
I grow tired of watching people speculate as to whether or not they have a small motto. THIS is a small motto. Note the "D" difference in the picture that compares the small motto (on top) with the regular '64 (on the bottom) I guarantee that this IS a small motto and you will get the coin you see (minus the regular '64 in the last picture).
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There are 10 bidders that think it is a Small Motto as well, in spite of some pretty bad pics. With a tad over 30 minutes to go in the auction my guess is that someone will overpay.
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Valued Member
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I think the pictures are good and it is obviously a small motto Two Cent Piece. |
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LOL The commentary IS funny. Looks like a small motto to me too.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It is undoubtedly a Small Motto but the left rim appears to possibly be flattened and slightly-out-of round. Nice album filler for the price though with no major obvious damage such as a gouge or hole.
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Hello, When not worn beyond recognition using the small motto's 'straight' berry stem, designated on the attached photo by the black arrow, is also a useful marker. The black arrow is pointing to the exact same small motto 1864 Two Cent Piece discussed in this thread and shown on ebay. The larger green arrow seen here on a separate grey colored comparative photo of an 1864 LARGE motto Two Cent coin points to the same stem with a distinctive curvature that the that the small motto coin lacks.  It can be tough to differentiate between the two types using this variation but being aware of its existence is just one more tool to avoid buyer's remorse etc. fyi, mdpmedia |
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Not too bad of a price for a details Small Motto (yes this is one as stated by the above and the seller). Good photo and info mdpmedia!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I have been looking at small mottos for a while and get tired of all the "oooh! is this a small motto?" listings when they are obviously large mottos. I appreciate this guys sense of humor.
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IMHO, this aptly attributed coin was a great buy at the price realized. Just out of curiosity, I ran an ebay search and saw that 51 examples of the 1864 small motto are presently offered. In comparison, there are about 166 1916-D Mercury dimes being offered, individually or within sets. A good 1916-D will sell for six times or more than this small motto Two Cent Piece realized. I believe that this variety is generally under-valued in today's market, and the 1916-D's are over-valued. I realize that the Mercury series is much more popular among collectors, and that spikes demand. I'm simply comparing the two coins, given availability in the marketplace. Thoughts, folks? |
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Given that I really like the 2 cent pieces, I agree. But I am also biased for them!
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Availability means little if there is no demand. I can have all the neat stuff in the world, but if no one wants it, it will not sell, or not for a high price. The other difference here is the 16D is simply a straight up key coin. First year of a popular series with a low mintage. The small motto Two Cent is simply a variety of a coin in an obscure, little known, little collected series. So as much as one may like them (which I do), they are not going to be a heavy hitter like the 16D. And that's OK with me. Just means when I do get around to going for that coin it won't cost me out the nose like the 16D or 09S VDB or 09S IHP will. |
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ExpoGuy, I agree that the whole 2 cent series is under valued, and under collected for that matter. Some years back I embarked on assembling circulation strike and proof strike sets. Now complete in a minimum of 64 grade, I have seen the values steadily increase. For anyone planning on being at the Baltimore Expo in March, both sets will be on exhibit.
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Valued Member
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Mdpmedia, thanks for the infographic!
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Pillar of the Community
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Hey Penny Guy, that's a lofty goal that you've achieved ... congratulations! Sadly, I'll likely not attend the Baltimore show.
Smokeriderdon ... I agree with what you wrote about availability/demand. The demand for the 16-D is largely fueled by not only all the albums that require a hole to be filled with that coin but also by its ever-present availability from dealers. Many dealers at shows have multiple 16-D's for sale but few dealers will have even one example of an 1864sm. The 1864sm is also a first year, key coin, an historic Civil War era type that was a then new, short-lived denomination, AND it's the first coin to honor God. My major point was that these two, key coins illustrate a major disparity in availability and price. Even though the 1864sm coins are less available in the marketplace, they are far less costly than the 16-D's in comparable condition.
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