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Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 03/01/2013 4:38 pm last year when I submitted this (+23 other Morgans) to ANACS, I did so as I noted it was a VAM-6 (dash under 2nd 8), and thought it would have graded higher then a 63, thus making a small profit when sold, it turned out to be a wash at this grade. Without noticing anything out of the norm on the reverse, I entered the VAM number 6 on the certification form and received exactly that. This was some 9 months ago when I received my order back from ANACS, and a few weeks back I re-examined all the certified Morgans prior to placing them in 3 ring Certified Coin Albums. Upon re-examination, I find a odd looking clash mark on the reverse side and over to Vamworld I go. Hmmmm, I don't find this variety listed under the 1884 VAM-6 listing and started viewing other 1884 VAMs... Low & behold I locate the same type of clash mark on the VAM-2A listing, only noting that I can't have a VAM-2A as there are other clash marks my coin does not exhibit, also my clash, that is listed as; cotton bolls showing between the eagles left wing and arrow ~ is a bit higher then the 2A. I am hoping this is a rarer variety then the VAM-6 as this would be the only way for this coin to turn a profit, and have higher resolution photos available for anyone wishing to examine the die variety. Other markers on the reverse are die cracks around "UNITED" and die scratches in the bow area. Thanks to those that take the time to examine this piece & should you have the same variety, please post. Report this Post to the Staff

SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 03/01/2013 5:13 pm The presence or absence of clashing doesn't necessarily define a VAM, but sometimes (as in the case of 2A) it can define a subvariety when the original doesn't display the clashing. Yours has some pretty strong clashing, much stronger than the plate coin at VAMworld; have a look in the same area as the E appears on 2A to see if any of the E shows up on your coin. If it does, you will have something very special indeed. Report this Post to the Staff
Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 03/06/2013 11:27 pm I don't see anything where the E appears on VAM 2A on this coin. Since the 1884 VAM-6 shows no type of clashing on Vamworld, and the interest level is only a 2, shouldn't the interest level be a bit higher with the clash? I found ANACS on Facebook today and posted this thread for their input. Report this Post to the Staff
Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 03/13/2013 10:08 pm SsuperDdave, I just located your "What is a VAM" article and pasted one of your paragraphs below. After reading your article, I now understand that die clashes don't make a VAM of itself, but can be added as a subvariety to a listed VAM, and also realize how much time was wasted on taking all those photos of die scratches on the 1878CC Morgan in the other thread, and assume they can be markers for this (1878cc) coin being struck with a late stage reverse die. [paragraph copied from SsuperDdave's "What is a VAM" CCF article] ""Very few VAMs have characteristics which are so obvious they can be seen with the naked eye. The overwhelming majority are identified through minute doubling of features or die damage-related markers. So, in most cases, attributing a VAM is a process requiring a loupe with minimum 15x magnification. It should be noted that in most cases, die cracks and clashing artifacts are not of themselves sufficient to warrant VAM designation, although they can qualify as a subvariety - for instance, if VAM-1 is identified, a clashed version of the same coin can be designated VAM-1A."" ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ Since my VAM-6 also has a die clash not listed in the VAM-6 listing, wouldn't it qualify for a subvariety as VAM-6A ? Also, Who makes the final decision on listing a new VAM, and who would one contact should they locate what could be a new VAM? Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/14/2013 9:59 pm usually the only time you get a letter behind the parent VAM number is when there is some type of letter transfer from the clash or something else that is unusual. The VAM-2A has a clashing of the E that you can even see in images which is pretty rare when it comes to clashing. Most I have seen you have to hold at a specific angle to even see the letter transfer (like on the VAM-84A) so if it was a 2A there would be no question about it as the clashed E can be see by the visual impaired Report this Post to the Staff
dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 03/14/2013 10:01 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 03/16/2013 03:18 am the only reason I questioned the above about this qualifing for a sub-variety is what was listed above the last photo on "What is a VAM" thread and the VAM-6 shows no cotton bolls clash. Quote: "A" is the "usual" clash. "B" is transferred detail from the obverse cotton bolls, and very uncommon: The "B" oval in SsuperDdave's photo was on my VAM-6, and since there is no mention of this clash, and only the dash under the "8" in the date, I thought I may have found something... Maybe next time Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 03/16/2013 07:16 am I am not saying that it definitely will not qualify as a 6A the only way to really know is to send it to LVA and get a verdict from him (I definitely have seen stranger things happen). I was only saying that usually it takes a letter transfer with the clashing to qualify for a sub variety of a parent VAM I can definitely see the cotton bolls clash at the eagles wing on your coin and actually had to pull my clash chart out to even know what that clash was from as it isn't seen very often. I am just not sure that will qualify it as a 6A but I am not saying it definitely wont qualify as one either Report this Post to the Staff
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