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ICCS Vs CCCS Pros And Cons Of Each For Grading?

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 Posted 03/03/2013  2:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have coins that I would like to get graded and would like opinions on who to use?

Thanks for replies
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ICCS has a longer history and is more 'established' as authoritative in the minds of many Canadian buyers. I have seen some comments that CCCS is grading slightly more conservatively than ICCS these days but can not personally verify that one way or the other. CCCS will put anything you like in as a comment. ICCS will only comment recognized varieties. CCCS has a web site where you can get the pricing and forms. ICCS doesn't. CCCS offers hard slabs. ICCS doesn't. Personal opinion, they are pretty much comparable. If you're looking to sell right away than ICCS currently has the wider name recognition but CCCS is coming along. If you're looking at rare, high grade coins that you wish to sell to US buyers then you may wish to consider PCGS for those.
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 Posted 03/03/2013  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Couldn't have explained it better!

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 Posted 03/03/2013  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a shame ICCS doesn't have the hard plastic slabs.

I did hear of one dealer that had their coins first graded at ICCS, then sent to CCCS and then back to ICCS.

This would almost guarantee the initial ICCS grade on the CCCS hard slab alongwith the ICCS paper cert with cross-referenced CCCS number.

Sounds confusing but it works.

Plus it would be cheaper doing these three steps than sending it to PCGS once for grading!
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 Posted 03/03/2013  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bill in Burl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you selling the coins or are they for your collection? High dollar? For inheritance or insurance purposes? I personally don't have a single graded coin (unless given to me or part of a lot) in maybe 10,000 large cents and about as many foreign. What you save on TPG expenses buys alot of coins at the end of the year.
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 Posted 03/03/2013  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To BillinBurl....

If you're going to keep your coins until the very end, then I would agree and say the costs of grading is a waste of money.

But if you're eventually going to sell them then I believe the money spent on grading is well worth the cost as the graded coins results in higher sale prices than raw coins.
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 Posted 03/03/2013  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trimble to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always like this circular discussion about TPG. :) I like ICCS because I can get them into an album, popular in Canada...lots of the same reasons as already mentioned above. The downside with ICCS is how fragile the holders can be...I have two semi-held together with packing tape and a few on the edge. The CCCS hard slabs sure display the coins well, but take up lots of space and every PCGS holder I cracked open and resubmitted to ICCS have always dropped several grades. I don't own any Canadian high MS coins with PCGS holders, but enough posters here say that is where PCGS really shines for grading.

Mostly the graded coins are for the boss, she is a quilter, not a coin collector. Statistically she will outlive me and I'd like her to at least have a fighting chance when selling.
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Plus it would be cheaper doing these three steps than sending it to PCGS once for grading!


For one coin, yes, for 100 coins, no... in bulk lots, PCGS is even cheaper than CCCS hard slabs.
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 Posted 03/04/2013  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. I really appreciate the feedback. I wish you were around when I was a paperboy many years ago and traded my collection of 25c47 Ml coins and a whole lot more for chips and pop to the local grocer on my route :]
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SPP-Ott....

I disagree about PCGS bulk submissions being cheaper.

PCGS would only be cheaper when dealing with rolls.

PCGS states..."at least 100 coins, each coin no higher than a $300 value and a maximum of 5 different dates only".

Whereas ICCSs' bulk submissions are only $7 each (100 or more) with any number of different dates and any value too.

Big difference.
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 Posted 03/08/2013  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very informative discussion here...Thank you..!
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doubleeagle59, where in my comment above, do you see any reference to ICCS?

Go back and reread my initial comment - I was comparing PCGS to CCCS hard slabs.... and unless you are certifying coins worth $1000 or more (each), I stand behind my statement - PCGS is cheaper than CCCS hard slabs, with bulk submissions.

ICCS does not certify errors, and why on earth would I put registry set material in an ICCS soft flip? You get what you pay for, in my opinion...
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 Posted 03/09/2013  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spp-Ott...you're right.

I see CCCS and think only ICCS(my mistake).
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