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Toning Of Mint Boxed American Eagles

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Cold, damp day in Arizona. Nice day to go through some of my stash.
Here is a Silver Eagle that has been sitting in original box since purchase. Starting to tone on top side, but nice still on the bottom. Have several years of these and all are the same. Any ideas why? What should I do with them now?



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It looks like its just sitting in the box and not any sort of capsule or air tite which can be part of the problem. If its exposed to the elements it can tone and change
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It has been mentioned here before to put the box in a zip lock plastic bag.
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I've got a couple proof ASEs (direct from the US Mint) that are in capsules inside those presentation boxes.
Since they're in capsules, will they (hopefully) be immune to that kind of toning over the years?
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Thank you! Should I just take them out of the boxes and put them in plastic tubes as just bullion since they have already been ruined?
Most of my ASEs are in capsules and are just fine. (A couple do have a pin point of tarnish tho.) I need to dump out those in tubes to see how they are fairing.
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I won't sweat the toning but if you don't like it just dip the coin in some coin dip. It will be as good as new in seconds.
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Sell it for melt value.
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 Posted 03/10/2013  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HaroldS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I won't sweat the toning but if you don't like it just dip the coin in some coin dip. It will be as good as new in seconds."

OK! Never used this stuff. Does this make the coins "cleaned"?

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Since they're in capsules, will they (hopefully) be immune to that kind of toning over the years?


Not 100 percent immune buts its far less likely
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Harold,

No as long as you dip it for under say 30 seconds it in no way effects the coin in an adverse way. It will take off all that toning though no problem.

That is a common misconception that cleaning is bad, improperly cleaning is bad. That being said you won't see me dipping an MS 1893 S but for coins that are really only worth the melt in them it will do no damage. If it were me I would get the wife's finger nail polish and give her a quick bath.
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I'm surprised to hear all the comments for dipping/cleaning your ASE. Yes, these are bullion coins but there are MANY who will pay a premium for toning. ASE's already bring more than silver value and adding a nice tone can create an additional premium for some collectors. If you don't like the way it looks trade it with someone who does like this look. Or you can take out the Tarn-X and dip away until the coin looks like all the others.

The same logic that says dipping is OK because these are only worth bullion should apply to leaving the coin alone because it is only bullion.

If you live in or near S.E. Virginia, I'd trade you a sealed ASE for your toned ASE. So would many others.
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Hi Harold,

The box is not OGP(Original Government Packaging) because you have a Bullion Eagle and they were only sold individually without packaging. Unfortunately(or fortunately, depending on your POV), the velvet case is the source of the toning so if you do not want your Eagles to tone any further, I would suggest you remove them from the boxes and place them in a tube or individual airtite holders.
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WHAT? Dipping? How dare you suggest that!

I am shocked that none of the previous posts mentioned the fact that tone American Silver Eagles ( ASE) actually earn a premium over untoned versions on ebay.

In other words, I would not dip those!
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I am shocked that none of the previous posts mentioned the fact that tone American Silver Eagles ( ASE) actually earn a premium over untoned versions on ebay.


Did you read my second post?
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I agree with mds308 and rgathright in that I would never dream of dipping that. And I am also one of those who prefer toned coins, prefer a coin with natural toning to those who have been dipped. Some would say toning isn't natural, and that's fine, everyone prefers different things and coins are no exception, everyone's entitled to like what they want. But personally I think toning it completely natural (by exposure to elements that is, chemical or electricity, unless struck by lightning of course, but those are a different story entirely).

Toning is a complex issue, because sometimes it's sped up by chemicals in the album, folder, flip, air, presentation case (like yours), envelope etc, but although its sped up its still natural occurring process. To myself at least it's still more natural than removing it with a chemical.

(Most) coins were meant for circulation and therefore to be "exposed" to air and other elements, there were those who weren't meant for circulation, but made out of metals that once were, therefore toning should be expected. While dipping a coin to return it to its "natural" state just doesn't make sense to me because that's completely unnatural... Right? Taking away the natural process of toning by dipping it in a chemical to remove it how is that natural? For me at least that would make it less valuable than toning.

There's definitely precautions people can take to "delay" toning... But delay is the word to use, because someday, maybe not in our life, but someday coins will tone. Unless of course extreme precautions are taken, but to me where's the fun in that, package up my coins in tubes, bags and airtight packages and have to unwrap it all just to see them, I guess that's just not for me, I like to enjoy my coins.. But again that's just me.

And it's absolutely true, many would pay a premium for a toned coin, myself included. There's also others that would pay a premium for a blast white example. Again, to each his own and everyone can like what they want. But I wouldn't be as rash to say the coin is now "melt" or "ruined" as although it doesn't appeal to you personally there are many who would pay a slight premium now opposed to what it used to look like. I'd buy those/that for melt in a heartbeat, lol, and be glad for it as I'd have paid more
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@HaroldS, If you don't like those, why not offer them for sale on the CCF Auctions? You could use the money to buy a new/untoned ASE.

@NathanASE, Let's start the bidding!
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