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Can you guys give me a run down on cameos? I always figured they'd be on PL coins but I hear people talking about them on MS coins! As well how do you judge how heavy the cameo is? Thanks.
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Thanks for the article zonad.
So are there MS coins out there with cameos? Or is it only PL coins that have cameos?
As well does anyone have pics to distinguish cameo, heavy, and ultra?
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Is it considered more sought after to have cameos vs. non cameo coins?
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People tend to prefer the higher priced dull looking MS (cameo) coins rather than the brightly polished coins that are lower priced. Yes cameo and heavy cameo coins are still found in uncirculated rolls today especially from the 50's and 60's. You just have to buy them and go through the rolls. Proof-like sets vary from no cameo to ultra heavy cameo. Many PL sets may only have one cameo coin in it.
BU roll hunting is fun but expensive.
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I don't know how ICCS determines what is a cameo vs. a heavy cameo (or an ultra). I suspect it is subjective. The PL cameos are truly beautiful....I recently had a lovely 1956 PL Heavy Cameo pass through my hands on the way to another member of this forum. However, I am not into the PL strikes. But two of my favourite coins follow below. They are much prettier in hand than in my photos, where I tried fairly unsuccessfully to capture the cameo effect.   |
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Thanks smallcentguy. Are there years that are tougher to find cameo coins?
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ICCS publishes the cameo stats on PL/NBU coins but not the MS coins. The oldest MS cameo I have is a 1950. I have seen quite a few 1950s around (though not that many MS65s) so I suspect someone had a roll and sent them to ICCS.
There may be people here who have more definitive views, but in my experience the MS heavy cameos are pretty hard to find.
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It's to bad ICCS didn't track MS cameos. My guess is that they would be harder to find since they were meant for circulation.
I have a few coins in my collection that appear to have cameos on them and were purchased as circulation coins years ago. I am just not extremely knowledgable yet to determine if they are MS or PL.
Is the cameo effect usually on both sides of the coin?
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I would be curious to hear what others think. The effect is on the reverse also. But the visual impact, at least to me, is much more impressive on the obverse. I especially like the look of the cameos on the young Elizabeth and the 1965+ Elizabeth obverses. I don't find the George VI portrait as interesting or the more recent Elizabeth obverses.
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03/12/2013 10:06 pm
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Those are beauties. I think that portrait shows the effect the best.
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The few loose ones I had I think are PL. I did have 1 MS 1965 dime with toning and cameo.
Here's another couple questions...
1. Is there a certain % premium on cameo coins?
2. In pre 1967 coins, how can you differentiate specimen finish as compared to MS?
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My opinions to your questions:
1. Absolutely!! The premium depends on the strength of the cameo, a true "black and white" effect is most valued with silver coins. It also depends on the year; for example, in the 1-cent series (because I collect them), a 1964 PL-65 Heavy Cameo is much less sought after than a 1958 PL-65 Heavy Cameo. The dies from some years were treated differently than other years, creating 'cameo rarities', as it were.
2. Do you mean specimen finish from proof-like strikes in pre-1967 coins? That requires a careful eye... and experience.
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03/12/2013 10:44 pm
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Specimen in 40's and 50's. And like a tombac nickel. Is it possible to find those in the wild?
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Very unlikely...
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