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You Versus NGC: 1804 Draped Bust Half Cent (C)

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The obverse damage scares me into a possible details grade......Great condition though,,Super coin.....I'll go Ms details
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Nice spiked chin Half Cent!

Looks like nice luster. I don't see wear. I guess MS63-64.

babysitr, I think what you see as obverse damage is actually the characteristic die striations for the variety.
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MS-60, Rim damage.
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MS-62 obverse die striations?
Profliz, could you be a little more specific.
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ProfLiz,, Need more info on Die Striations.....I may have passed on some of these as damaged....:)....What is a good source of info....There are a couple books on early copper that may well be worth the investment.?
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ProfLiz is absolutely right. The "spiked chin" die variety has more than a spiked chin. The parallel lines between Liberty's chin and her bosom are found on every example.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the striations were caused by two things, weakened planchet material and in one die variety the spiked chin, (a clash of a foriegn object in the press) most likely a screw damaging the die. I'll have to varify that - I think it was in Breens book on Half Cents.
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babysitr, what philadelphian and westcoin said sums it up. Those "claw marks" below Lady Liberty's chin are on all spiked chin 1804 Half Cents; they were in the die. This coin has particularly pronounced lines, so I presume an early die state or exceptionally good strike.

I usually refer to the Breen Half Cent book for variety information. It's worth the investment *if* you are in to Half Cents. Otherwise, there may be some general copper books that hit the high points well enough. But I only do Half Cents...
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