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What Was Done To This Coin?

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 Posted 04/01/2013  08:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tjmcman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good morning! I hope everyone is doing well.

I've just purchased a Franklin half advertised and presented as: 1961 Franklin half dollar "Proof" Choice PF.

The photo was immaculate. A beautiful mirrored proof.

I've attached a photo that I just took of the coin and was wondering what the community thinks.

I'm looking at this as a learning experience for myself, but need some opinions from others that have been doing this longer than me.

Thanks,
Terry McManus



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 Posted 04/01/2013  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert by a long shot but, I would say that it has been cleaned harshly and not a Proof.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say it IS a proof, but it has been destroyed by a harsh abrasive cleaning.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tjmcman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Technically, though, I'm thinking that the description is probably "correct", just misleading (tremendously). I've sent a message to the seller three days ago on this and they have not responded yet. A case of buyer beware here? If I take the coin and put the light just right, it matches what was shown on e-bay.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whizzed or similarly cleaned coin. Too bad too. At least it's got some silver value. I'd be sending it back though unless you paid some ridiculously low amount for it.
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04/01/2013 10:49 am
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like someone tried to polish it up a little in an attempt to make it look better. There is no way it is "choice," Choice Proof should be PF-63. With all those hairlines it is clear it has been cleaned so I would return it as not as described. It sure didn't come from the mint like that. Did you purchase it on ebay or somewhere else?
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dragged behind a car at a race track.
Testing a belt sander on coins.
Wire wheel cleaning system.[
Regardless, a bit of the usual for ebay. Now only if the seller would take that back. Even then, who pays for the postage?
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 Posted 04/01/2013  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
0000 steel wool. Does about the same thing. Cleaning powders or emery cloth too.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cheezyfryes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sprayed with a can of black Krylon, scrubbed back with 0000 steel wool to give it that patina all the kids love these days...
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 Posted 04/01/2013  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Normic67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it looks like someone burned it then rubbed all the black stuff off but who knows.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thestew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where did you purchase this at?
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I would call that AU details - harshly cleaned - net value is melt. You should be able to get your money back based on the misleading description and doctored photograph. If ebay, open a dispute after 48 hours if not resolved by the seller and remember to leave negative feedback after you receive a refund. There is no excuse for that attempt to deceive. Just my opinion....

Edit to add - tell us who the seller is so the name can go on my do not buy from list if not already there.
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04/01/2013 2:04 pm
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 Posted 04/01/2013  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Item not as described, send it back or live with it.
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 Posted 04/01/2013  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me looks like someone used the wrong cleaning polish on the coin. I have seen coins like that before. But I'm not 100% sure. And it does look like a proof.
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 Posted 04/06/2013  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kijiji2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
could have been found metal detecting , I get a few that look like that
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 Posted 04/06/2013  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug58s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It definitely does not match "Choice" Proof. I'd open a case with ebay based on the sellers lack of response to your email. All communication with the seller should also be through ebay. If you open the case - then ebay will contact the seller - and if you get nothing from that they will refund your purchase.
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