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 Posted 04/07/2013  01:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I am new to coin colecting, and have been looking for somewhere to ask the many multitudes of questions that I have in regard to the coins I have been collecting. I have stumbled upon this forum, and am impressed with the knowledge and experience I am reading.I have something to share, although I don't quite know much about it. This is one of the prettiest pennies I have so far. It's a 1961 Golden penny, very striking "yellow" color. I have heard of the 1964 example but not of a 1961.
Can you please appease my curiousity< I would like to know if it is worth anything, and if it is - would it be worthwhile getting the penny slabbed? It does have a few detracting scratches, and a die crack through "L" of Elizabeth.
Another question is - What are the wrinkles all over this coin, and how are they caused? I have a few pennies (obviously in the later years) with wrinkles
Thanks,
Cheers,

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 Posted 04/07/2013  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi sfitzernater to CCF.

First up,very nice coin.
The wrinkles are metal stress marks,like stretch marks from when the coin was struck.

Nice little die crack through the L but there is also some die clash on the reverse, above the date it looks like a shark fin shaped slightly raised bit & coming out of the back of the roo there is a line which is die clash from the Queens forehead & eyebrow.

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Slabbing it would not be cost effective as the cost of getting it slabbed would probably be more than the coin is worth.

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04/07/2013 01:53 am
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 Posted 04/07/2013  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Appleangel,
Thanks for the reply, you got all that from my shabby little photo;)
I have found that the die clash is very common in the 1960's pennies.
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The yellow colour youre seeing is lustre. That is what the coins looked like when first struck. Your coin seems to be aUNC-UNC. As appleangel pointed out its not worth slabbing as the cost of doing so would far outweigh the value of the coin.

I have always called those little wrinkles metal flow lines. I reckon then help to contribute to the beauty of perth minted copper.
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 Posted 04/07/2013  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Enworb, I am absolutely fascinated by the color variations, and the way the Perth penny ages. I've noticed that the Melbourne penny is far more consistent in color.
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The melbourne pennies are well struck, the perth pennies are colourful. Wouldnt it be great if they combined the two.
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 Posted 04/07/2013  03:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be magnificent. When I got my first "weak 1" penny, I thought "yes, I've got a rare one here!", but alas, it was not to be.
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 Posted 04/07/2013  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the Powerful Pastime of Procuring the Perfect Penny.!!
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 Posted 04/07/2013  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your lucky enough ocassionally you will come across colourful Melbourne Pennies, I was very lucky to buy a roll that was full of colours & some full reds as well.

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 Posted 04/07/2013  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF sfitzernator. Love the die clash

Appleangel ... nice spotting, nice coin, nice pics, nice nice nice.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one, appleangel, a truly beautiful coin. Love the way you were able to bring out the rainbow patina in your photo, it really is stunning. I have a similar one that is full rainbow on the obv, but the rev is half rainbow and half natural brown, it looks like somebody stuck a thumb on the roo's body and tail, and spraypainted the rest with a rainbow.
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 Posted 04/13/2013  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys,here's a couple more Melbourne's with nice colour,i think I've posted these pics before but I reckon there worth a 2nd view. LOL

The IMG codes are'nt working properly so here's the direct links to the pics.


http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/...79eb3ea7.jpg

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/...779d51a8.jpg


http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/...7d826ec2.jpg

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/...9b0972b0.jpg
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 Posted 04/13/2013  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both really nice appleangel

Love the first one in particular!
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I don't think the line under the L of Elizabeth is a die crack simply because it is under the L. If it was a die crack it would be over the L. What I think it might be is a die polish line. I'm not 100% certain of that though, as DPL's are normally quite straight, and the line on your penny appears to have a small kink in it.

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However, I do believe there is a nice die crack on the Rev as indicated below.

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Either way it's a very nice coin!
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 Posted 04/13/2013  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly a fault in the planchet before minting.?
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 Posted 04/13/2013  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Nancyc.
It's a steep learning curve, this one, however, asking questions and seeking answers, and having others question your suppositions is the best way the learn. My reasoning behind the "L" die clash is the "blob" on the inside surface, and I agree, the blob does look like it's underneath. Although I don't understand how the metal managed to "flow" into that area. I think that the rev clash is a very fine hairline scratch, it looks to have a valley in it under magnification, and because of the shiny area where it crosses the denticles.

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