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Can anyone shed some light on this coin? It's a large cent with plenty of wear between 1816-1839. It looks like a possible but doubtful struck from a smaller and defective planchet. Weight is 89.4 grains or 5.8 grams. The only smaller planchets possible for the time span is a Half Cent planchet but they would be larger and heavier. Are there any other possibilities or is this just post mint damage? Thanks,

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What's the diameter? I must say, this is interesting!
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Hmmm... weird...
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The coin is 5/64 inch (.08 inch) thick or slightly over 2 MM. The width is 54/64 inch (.84 inch) wide at widest point or about 21.4 MM. The defective area looks very much authentic and would seem hard to duplicate. The coin is pretty even all around except for the defect area that is a little smaller in diameter. Coins looks copper.
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It's definitely copper and the weight and diameter nearly matches that of a Half Cent .
I would send this to ANACS.
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Weight is close to that of a Half Cent but the thickness and diameter are probably too far off. Diameter is over 2 mm too small and even with the missing portion of the planchet it is five grains heavy. So if the planchet didn't have the hole it would be a lot heavier than a Half Cent.

Something else that looks odd. it looks like it may have beaded hair cords which would put it as 1837 to 39. But all of the beaded hair cord varieties come with the point of the leaf below the CENTER of the last A in AMERICA. (I could be wrong about the hair cords being beaded.)
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With that degree of deformation, I don't know if you can say what the leaf point is supposed to be below.
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First thing I was going to say when I saw it was crazy PMD, but now I don't know...
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No there is really no deformation in that area, and even it there was it wouldn't be able to move that leaf point from below the center of the A to below the center of the left foot. The leaf and the A are well formed, the end of the leaf has not been clipped off and there is just no visible damage in that area. I'm more likely to be wrong about the beaded hair cord than I am the position of the leaf point.
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