1909 S VDB Lincoln

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Richard, to answer your original post for a request for a grade I notice everyone else has dodged your request), I'd have to state that it doesn't appear it would grade above VF-30 or -35. Presuming it's not cleaned (very difficult to determine many types of cleaning from images, but I think not in this instance), the circulation marks on the rims on both the obverse (at 11, 1, 2, and 4 o'clock) and the reverse (12:30, 4, 5, and 6 o'clock) and in the fields on both sides would tend to keep the grade down if submitted to a top TPG. There also appears to be a gouge at the 4 o'clock position on the obverse, but I don't think it's serious enough to warrant a body bag. I think the circulation marks are too severe to make it XF but I could be wrong (market grading, y'know); I do tend to grade rather harshly. Of course, we're charting new territory with regard to the condition of the devices.

I hope this provides you with enough information regarding your eventual decision whether or not to submit it to a top TPG for slabbing.

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Morgan_Fred, I think the first picture is reverse and the second one is obverse. You might want to re-write your comments.

The coin has to be weighed. If it turns out to be copper then we know it's from 1909-1958 or 1982. Other than that you would have to produce proof that it came from the middle of a 1909-S VDB roll.

I seriously doubt that there are any 1909-S vdb rolls around. So proof is out of the question.

Another problem is the toning, the coin looks to red/orange on the rim to be a 1909-S VDB from an original bank roll. The wrapper would have toned the rim of the coin and this would be evident.

If this is a joke then it can be whatever date you want it to be.lol