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Commodity Crash! When Does The Numismatic Value Outweigh Bv?

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 Posted 04/15/2013  09:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AZTAMT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just a thought.
How low does silver have to go to make our silver coins worth more then bullion value...
Now I know that most of us will just hold onto it and wait for the market to bounce back, but what about book prices and trends...

Just a thought, would love some input.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvergoose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You beat me to posting this. Great question and I'm sure that a lot of people here are watching the crashing gold and silver prices with great interest.

At what point does this crash (providing it does not rebound in short time) impact the book prices of gold and silver coins both old and new? For instance, could I as a buyer look forward to the possibility of seeing pre-1967 silver dollars reducing in price due to the reduced value of their metal content? Would the RCM have to adjust the price of their commemorative coins as they release new issues?
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Coins that trade like commodities (think 1966 VF quarters) will be the most affected. Although, when I was going through ebay on the weekend people still seem to be happily paying $30+/oz.... Coins that trade more on supply and demand won't be significantly affected. As one of the other members pointed out on a previous thread, if a 1 oz silver NCLT coin is selling for $149 then the fact that the value of the silver in it has dropped from $30 to $25 isn't really significant. Similarly a 1947 MS66 ML dollar currently listing at $6.3k won't be affected by a $3 decrease in its precious metal value.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AZTAMT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver now at $22.81......Falling fast.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whenever the price falls below what the seller paid for them.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great topic and I too was just about to pose this very question. Subscribed to this topic.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins that will benefit the most from this drop in silver price will probably be things like VF George VI and MS60-62 QEII coins.
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I have over 10 gold coins that are more than 1,000 years old.
Even with this class of coins, the variation in their gold value DOES have some influence.
I also have a small amount of bullion.
Overall, PM pricing does not concern me very much, but I DO watch bullion markets with interest.

That puts me in a position of forming my opinions in a DISpassionate manner.

Would I be more inclined to buy numismatic gold now? A mild 'yes'.
Would I be more inclined to buy bullion PM's now? A stronger 'yes'.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fear of central banks selling gold reserves thereby flooding the supply side leads to a drop in price forcing hedge funds and other leveraged 'owners' to sell causing a further drop in price continuing until the vulnerable positions are unwound and the surge in supply has finished working its way through the system. While it is certainly a better time to buy than, for example, last week, don't take that to mean there are guaranteed short term profits available in PMs right now. I wouldn't presume to call the bottom on this but prices still have a long way to fall to return to historical norms. And no, I'm not saying that they will fall that far either. I have no clue. Hedge your bets and proceed cautiously with any moves.
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 Posted 04/17/2013  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add youngloonie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been waiting for an event like this to buy pre-1967 quarters, dimes, etc
Perfect time to collect, but not invest
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 Posted 04/18/2013  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True. Good time to buy. Not so much to sell.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brexzz1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats what everyone here kept saying when silver was $29
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 Posted 04/18/2013  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pimpim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since the crash the demand for physical PM has increased. It's not a time to sell. One thing that I found funny is that kitco has no more canadian bullion for sale in the last three days. Yesterday you had a choice of only six silver bullion available.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@brexzz1 Not me! :-)

@pimpim Yes, people who bought when silver was at $32 aren't going to sell when it's at $22 unless they have to. They'll sit on it a while waiting for a price recovery. Supply will drop and prices may go back up (if demand stays constant or increases etc etc)
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The gold miner stocks have been obliterated by the fall. Barrick trades for less than it did when gold was $350 an ounce. In fact, it it is back where it was 20 years ago. From an all-time high to 1993 in 15 months.

How many mines can make money with sub $1400 gold?


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 Posted 04/24/2013  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pimpim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Premium for silver maple leaf is 22% today.
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