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1954 Error Florin. Help Please.

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 Posted 05/01/2013  9:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I lashed out and bought my first error coin at an auction and would love to know how to describe the error accurately. It was called a mis-strike by the auction house but this doesn't mean too much in my experience with them. Mis-strike sounds right but just like to check. Thanks.
Also if someone could recommend an "understanding how to date banknotes for *complete* dummies" resource I would be really appreciative.
Thanks darge.



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 Posted 05/01/2013  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im still an L plater here, I think it is in the Mistruck category? Excellent placement of error right at the 6 o'clock position, Very nice coin!
jpl..
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 Posted 05/01/2013  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks jpl I am a P plater too. I thought of it as a misstrike but I wondered if it is also a collar malfunction of some sort. I'm sure someone with more knowledge will mosey through in time.
It's a steep learning curve eh?
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 Posted 05/01/2013  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have a read of this:

http://www.australian-threepence.co...n-error.html

Nice pick-up by the way! Well done!

life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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05/01/2013 11:43 pm
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 Posted 05/02/2013  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks nancyc I was hoping you might drop in that was exactly what I needed. I love seeing the errors you put up, especially loved roozilla. LOL

So it is a Ramstrike or High Lip error, do you hold a preference for either, or is one more Aussie than the other?

I am very pleased with the purchase, even more so now, the coin appears to be Uncirculated to my inexpert eye, possibly even BU. Would you (or anyone) suggest that I have it TPG?
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 Posted 05/02/2013  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin and nice link nancy very informative but sending it to a TPG I dont know from those photos try uploading one from right above the coin so we can see it properly because there is nothing worse than spending $30 sending it of to a TPG if it comes back in a body bag or I think they slab them now with a details grade? Anyway deciding to send it off to a TPG would depend on its value. probably anything over $500 would be economical.

Anyway if you dont mind me asking how much did you end up paying for the coin?
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 Posted 05/02/2013  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi oh my florin no problems I got it with a $40 bid which is close to $50 with fees. I'll put up some pics.



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 Posted 05/02/2013  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obverse is not a great pic and it may not be as good unfortunately but more than ok.



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 Posted 05/02/2013  05:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ramstrike would be a better term IMO. The coin looks to be in the VF-gVF range. As far as ramstrikes go its not a huge one but $40 is a very good price. I reckon it would be worth between $70 and $100 on ebay. I sold one about six months ago which has a much larger lip and I got $175 for it.
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 Posted 05/02/2013  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks enworb for both lots of info.

The coin is actually far better than it appears in the photos with strong lustre both faces and no wear showing even with a magnifying glass.
I thought the reverse was pretty close to Uncirculated but the Obverse brought the grading back to EF - so this is way out huh? Lol I have much to learn.
Although there isn't a lot between gVF and EF I suppose.
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 Posted 05/02/2013  06:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try taking some picturesperpendicular to the coin's surfaces. That will make it easier to grade. I thought I could see quite a bit of rub/wear in the obverse fields which is what I based my grade on. The photos show the error but not the grade.
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 Posted 05/02/2013  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
None of the damage on the obverse is visible (to my eye anyway) and it is pretty good.
I have great difficulty getting perpendicular pics because of the shadow of the camera. Any tips?
Also at night I find I can only get yellowish pics.
Again any tips?
I have a couple of others, I'll try one but it wasn't a great one.



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 Posted 05/02/2013  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That photo is a little better still. I can see its better than VF.

It looks like youre using normal room lighting. You need to use lamps, two at least really. Your camera may have different light settings. Try the one for flourescent or tungsten lighting. That worked for me on my old and new camera.
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 Posted 05/02/2013  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G Day Darge, Natural sun light is the best light to to use. That is what the human eye see's best. You can use Hollywood lighting, but you will need to change your White Balance settings ( if using PASM ) & light source directions! Don't set the camera to chrome this can affect the real colour hue of the coin. Do not take photos during high noon, you will get a blinding reflection or a dark reflection if the lens is to close to the coin. To fix the dark reflection or shadows don't use normal Macro, you are to close & not getting enough light to the lens, all'so the unwanted bluring. If your camera has Supermacro use this in this way, Bring the camera up higher so there is more space for light between the coin & the lens, a tripod helps for the shaking to, then Zoom In to the point you want to shoot! Make note where the sun is to ajust direction of the light source. Try early in the morning when the sun is Soft, overcast works very well with little or no glare. All'so you can angle the coin or the camera or both to get the brightness or highlight points. If your not sure about Manual settings use AUTO! Hope this might help a bit? Just keep clicking! Cheers jpl..
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 Posted 05/02/2013  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello enworb sorry I crashed last night, Hi jpl thanks for all those tips.
I have just taken a couple of photos in the sunlight and almost wish I hadn't lol. The obverse appears to have been almost certainly cleaned and the reverse probably also.
The sunlight reveals the truth.



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 Posted 05/02/2013  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps a bit of a rub there darge

Still a very nice error coin though.
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