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Authenticity Of An 1875-CC Trade Dollar

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I'm looking to verify the authenticity of this 1875-CC Trade dollar. I do not have the coin in my possession so I cannot verify weight or if it reacts to a magnet. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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 Posted 05/02/2013  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Coin Community, Barbados25.

I don't see anything about the coin which makes me worry about its' authenticity on a quick examination....but there's a point in the fact that I only gave it a quick examination. The coin is heavily worn and even more heavily cleaned, and between the two, this isn't a very valuable piece even if it_is real. The only justification for buying it is out of mercy. Should that be your intent - mercy is a virtue - the money you should pay (I wouldn't go much above $50) justifies the risk of it being a counterfeit.

But the advice I give here is to move on. $100 will buy you a far better example, if you're patient.
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I see nothing that screams fake right offhand. It is certainly a cleaned coin, and rather badly at that.
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Now I have to stop looking at that cleaning or I'm gonna cry.

Oh, and !
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I have actually already purchased it, or rather, won the auction for it. It wasn't until after I had won the auction that I posted in another community where a few expressed their concern as to its authenticity. So at this point I haven't actually paid for the item. If it's real I will probably go ahead with the sale, I've never just not paid for an item, but if it turns out someone here notices something that indicates it's a clear forgery I will probably just take the negative feedback from not paying.
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If you got it for around 50 as Dave said, go for it. I really see no reason not to. She certainly is rough, but she does have some character. I especially like the chop marks. If I may ask, how much did you end up paying for it?
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Unfortunately, I share the same concern on authenticity as a few on the the other forums. My immediate reaction the moment I saw it was it looked like a chinese counterfeit. It just has the sort of cleaned and dirt around the lettering look of one. I think remember from one of swamperbob's post that cast coins can look like cleaned coins. The eagle on the reverse is weak in areas like the neck and the center of the left wing while much stronger on the edges of both wings are higher in elevation thus more exposed and should show more wear before lower areas like the center of the wing does.
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This coin looks 'pasty' in the pictures but SsuperDdave, I think has the answer for that.
I also agree with his buying strategy in this case.
If doubt bothers you, check it for weight, diameter and comparative ring tone against a known genuine coin.
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I have actually already purchased it, or rather, won the auction for it. It wasn't until after I had won the auction that I posted in another community where a few expressed their concern as to its authenticity. So at this point I haven't actually paid for the item. If it's real I will probably go ahead with the sale, I've never just not paid for an item, but if it turns out someone here notices something that indicates it's a clear forgery I will probably just take the negative feedback from not paying.


If that's your thinking, I can't fault you. You're doing your due diligence, and trying to make informed decisions.

If this were the coin I wanted, for whatever reason, I would snag it with confidence that it was very likely real. Nothing's 100%, of course, but the coin shows none of the "usual" traits of a counterfeit save some slight porosity in the fields. I think this is explainable by assuming this was a dug coin, which would also explain the extremely heavy cleaning.

Above all else, though, I'm mindful of the fact that it would have taken a lot of work to make a counterfeit coin look like this. That's not the point of counterfeiting.

In this case, Occam's Razor makes me think it's authentic.
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Hopefully the seller has a return policy.

The "chopmark" looks like a seal sitting in a directors chair.
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05/02/2013 11:00 am
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The "chopmark" looks like duck soup. Good luck with your coin.
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