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Mint Of A Salzburg Thaler? Need Your Help!

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This is a thaler from the secularized Salzburg in 1803. There is no mint mark "M" as the 1805 specimen, so where was this thaler minted? Please tell me if you know. Thank you, Henry
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 Posted 05/05/2013  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not really a mint mark. The M and FM marks refer to the same engraver.
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It was minted at the Saltzberg mint.

I hope this helps.
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I have not the 1805 piece so I suppose there is a "M" mint mark for that.
Thank you Bacchus2, your reply.
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When looking through my data on Austrian and Salzburg Mint Marks, the M mint mark on the 1805-M and the 1806-M Taler were minted at the Austrian controlled Milan (Milano, Lambardy) Mint. Not all Salzburg coins were minted at the Salzburg Mint during the 19th century. With your Taler, the F and FM marks are for the mint engraver Franz Xavier Matzenkopf, Jr. who was the engraver from 1755 - 1805.
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With your Taler, the F and FM marks are for the mint engraver Franz Xavier Matzenkopf, Jr. who was the engraver from 1755 - 1805.

Regandon, I am not sure where is/are the mint marks on my coin. Do you mean they are in the red circles as indicated?

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While I don't know much about this coin in particular, I can say that not all coins from that time period and region had mintmarks in the more modern sense. In these small states or city-states there was only one mint, and there was no need to distinguish between mints. It's likely that your coin just doesn't have one. In this case, as some people have pointed out, there can be distinctions between engravers and mint masters over time.
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Make sense. Thank you Jimmy.
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Your Taler (1803) was minted at the Salzburg Mint. The 1805 and the rare 1806 were not minted at the Salzburg Mint.
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In 996, the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III bestowed the Archbishop of Salzburg with the right of coinage. The AB minted coinage until 1803 when Salzburg is secularized. While the population is rather small, there is nothing small about their coinage history. After 1803, Salzburg gets passed around and it becomes a different entity. They have a very rich history with respect to coinage and were very capable of minting coins as was the Count of Tirol in Hall.
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