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Anyone have any stories with these sellers. They're supposed to be legit sellers who don't sell fakes.
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Bedrock of the Community
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95% of ebay coin sellers dont knowingly sell fakes so the list is missing a couple million names. The fake probably really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Theyre there but stay away from things to good to be true and generally youll be fine. The vast majority of sellers are coin dealers or collectors that are just using ebay as another way to sell things
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I figure that producing a convincing counterfeit is a very expensive operation and the only way to make it cost effective is to produce fakes of coins that ordinarily cost hundreds of dollars. It stands to reason that you should never buy a very expensive coin from ebay. Either use a well known dealer like APMEX (or your country's equivalent) or buy directly from a mint.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: It stands to reason that you should never buy a very expensive coin from ebay. Thats not true either. If you dont know the series very well stick to graded, but again the vast majority of the coins are exactly what they say they are.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
548 Posts |
Certifying coins is an American phenomenon. It doesn't really happen on this side of the ocean.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Is coming there, but the OP is in the US anyway. Besides almost every reputable coin shop sells on ebay anyway, APMEX sells on ebay as well which you mention. The point was though just because somethings expensive on ebay doesn't mean its fake
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
548 Posts |
Alright, Basebal, you win. But beware. We British aren't all smiles and sunshine.....
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Bedrock of the Community
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Im not trying to win anything just trying to clarify the misconception that ebay is full of nothing but fakes
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: the list is missing a couple million names  There are TONS of reliable coin dealers on ebay. I would take WAY too long to make a complete list.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Yeah, I'm sure this list isn't complete. Just the opinion of the author who wrote it. His id is keith040_0
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote:I figure that producing a convincing counterfeit is a very expensive operation and the only way to make it cost effective is to produce fakes of coins that ordinarily cost hundreds of dollars. It stands to reason that you should never buy a very expensive coin from ebay. Either use a well known dealer like APMEX (or your country's equivalent) or buy directly from a mint. Not necessarily so, Demarco. A while back there was a run of modern repros of shillings of Charles I on ebay and other sites. They weren't rare and sold for between £15 and £60, mostly to people who weren't experts on the series. Not that they weren't good copies. I was even fooled a couple of times. But I keep good records and when you see what appears to be the identical hammered coin appear again and again .. you get suspicious. I dare say they were made for more than pennies. But a steady income of £40s every now and then (there were five different coins replicated, possibly by a company in the US) gradually builds up. The point being, people want to check out a £250-£500 coin. Whereas a hammered coin (which all have their own quirks, so are more difficult to compare) selling for under £50 is much less likely to raise suspicion. To the extent at least one major auction house had one listed as part of a lot. And once that happens, well, who's going to question if it comes up on ebay as ex ...&Co, with a pic of the catalogue listing?
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Moderator
 United States
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Well said, Tom; one is far more likely to run into a counterfeit of lower value than higher simply because they slip through so much more easily.
It should be mentioned that the list posted here is for sellers of Ancient coins & artifacts, and might therefore not be on everybody's radar. For the record, I went back 400 Feedbacks for the very first name listed, all the way back to 2011, without seeing a coin sold.
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Valued Member
United States
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I sell stuff on ebay from time to time, and my name is not on your list--for shame!! You gotta give ebay their due credit: a (relatively) cheap system for anyone to list items in a simple straightforward format, and to get potential buyers from the world over to look at your item, is a brilliant and a runaway-successful idea. In other words, how else might I sell a rare French coin to a Japanese collector, than via what is--for better or for worse--the easiest way to do so online today? I'm all for competitors (traditionally strong, coin-dedicated institutions like Heritage Auctions or other) but as a private individual buying and selling relatively modest-dollar items I'm not going to consign with the "big boys" am I? As for avoiding fakes, that's up to each buyer to be educated, select wisely, buy only from sellers who accept returns, scrutinize photos as best you can and/or ask for more, and to--in a pinch--back away if there's a doubt. Just because something has been made easier to do from your couch in your jammies, doesn't mean you should switch off the gray matter! It should also be acknowledged that the online-coin situation is very different from that encountered at shows; if collectors don't stay abreast of values and prices at shows in addition to the hysteric-prone online buying communities then those collectors are probably spending too much.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote: We British aren't all smiles and sunshine... We have sunshine?! And yeah, this sort of list just helps to get those sellers dough. Most people sell authentic stuff - rarely do I see a fake being advertised as the real deal.
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Valued Member
 United States
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lol Ben, yeeah should have been smiles and rain
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:I figure that producing a convincing counterfeit is a very expensive operation and the only way to make it cost effective is to produce fakes of coins that ordinarily cost hundreds of dollars. It stands to reason that you should never buy a very expensive coin from ebay. Either use a well known dealer like APMEX (or your country's equivalent) or buy directly from a mint. Since grading has risen in the USA, counterfeiting big-dollar coins has fallen... however this is not necessarily a good thing. Most of the counterfeits that come through The Black Cabinet are common date silver dollars, and every example posted to The Black Cabinet has passed as genuine at least once (a goodly number of them are very badly obvious). 50¢ worth of scrap metal disguised as something that goes for $30 a piece in large lots is a large profit margin. :-)
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