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What products do you use when shipping coins through the mail? What type of delivery and insurance do you choose?
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Anything worth over $100, I send insured, but insurance is around $10/20 in Canada, so it wouldn't be worth it to do it for anything lower. I know insurance is cheaper in the US, so I would use it whenever the value of the coin makes it worthwhile.

Bubble mailers and part of a file folder inside. Sometimes just a regular white envelope if it is really low value.
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My usual method, with whatever is handy:
1) individually wrap the coins in paper/plastic flips, paper, plastic bag, something.
2) Cut two pieces of cardboard/thick cardstock to fit either white envelope or bubble mailer, whichever outer layer I think is sufficient.
3) Sandwich the coins in the pieces I cut in step 2, taping coins on one of the pieces. use tape or staples to hold it together.
4) put the sandwich into the outer layer and tape over the seal (whole backside if an envelope)

Larger packages of trade stuffs: First class delivery confirmed mail
Envelopes: Sometimes as above, or I'll weigh it out and stamp it.

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For inexpensive coins, I use a corrugated self-sealing coin mailer in a First Class envelope. The coin mailer renders the envelope rigid so it qualifies as NONMACHINABLE which adds a 20 cent surcharge to the 1st Class rate. I have mailed a couple hundred coins this way without a single loss. The reason why many coins get lost in a 1st Class envelope is because of the automated cancellation machinery which can rip an envelope with a coin in it, that is not an issue when it requires manual cancellation.

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Insure anything you're not comfortable paying for twice. Use Delivery Confirmation for anything you're not comfortable paying for twice. In the absence of those, your buyer can claim anything they wish.
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I've read conflicting information when it comes to insuring rare coins that go through the US Postal Service. Some say that rare coins are not covered and some do?

Does anyone know the definitive answer?
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I've read conflicting information when it comes to insuring rare coins that go through the US Postal Service. Some say that rare coins are not covered and some do?

Does anyone know the definitive answer?


The definitive answer is, "It depends." Yeah, I know what that sounds like.

Yes, they insure rare coins. Yes, their knowledge of the rules - and their choice of how to implement them - varies by location. As long as you, the seller, keep careful records of the process, you'll be OK. This is yet another good reason to print all shipping labels via ebay - it provides a concrete connection between a specific auction item and a specific shipping/insurance/DC code.

And protect yourself as a shipper with a little wisdom. Anything I sell over $100 goes in a Priority Mail Flat Rate box, as additional physical protection. I don't sell rolls, because they frankly need more physical protection than an envelope can provide and cheap rolls don't justify the cost of sending them safely.

At a predetermined point, you require Signature Confirmation. I'm comfortable with the $250 tipping point Paypal requires. USPS only requires signature for Insured items at a $200 threshold. At some other point (~$500 for me), I'm sending the item Registered Mail, and the next packing process I video from start to finish won't be the first.

Cover yourself. And if it hits the fan, be prepared to be the squeaky wheel. That usually works.
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I thought flat rate boxes were pretty pricey?
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With our mailing system that is one tuff question. Allowing anyone in the postal system to know what your mailing is sort of like playing the lotto. At least with insurances and a mailing system where the item has to be signed for may, might, could, should work. I've sent low valued coins in the mail many times but never noted the item as coins ro anything of value. Almost easier to say TOYS for a relative's kids. What I've done a real lot.
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Domestic mail manual

Section 609 Filing Claims

4.0 Claims

4.1 Payable claims

g. Fair market value of stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value, as determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors newsletters and trade papers.

This can also depend on knowing how to establish the Numismatic value This is found in Sect 609 3.0 Providing Evidence of Insurance and Value

3.2 Evidence of value
The customer (either the mailer or the addressee) must submit acceptable evidence to establish the cost or value of the article at the time it was mailed. For claims submitted online, the evidence may be scanned and uploaded or sent via First-Class Mail to Domestic Claims, Accounting Services (see 608.8.0). Other evidence may be requested to help determine an accurate value. Examples of acceptable evidence are:

a. Sales receipt, invoice or bill of sale, or statement of value from a reputable dealer.

b. For items valued up to $100, the customer's own statement describing the lost or damaged article and including the date and place of purchase, the amount paid, and whether the item was new or used (only if a sales receipt or invoice is not available). If the article mailed is a hobby, craft, or similar handmade item, the statement must include the cost of the materials used in making the item. The statement must describe the article in sufficient detail to determine whether the value claimed is accurate.

c. Picture from a catalog showing the value of a similar article (only if a sales receipt, invoice, or statement of value from a reputable dealer is not available). The date and place of purchase must be included.

g. A copy of a canceled check, money order receipt, credit card statement, or other documentation indicating the amount paid. For Internet purchases, a copy of the front and back of the canceled check, money order, or a copy of the credit card billing statement is required.

h. For Internet transactions conducted through a Web-based payment network that offers payment services through a stored value account, provide a computer printout of the online transaction identifying the purchaser and seller, price paid, date of transaction, description of item purchased, and assurance that the transaction status is completed. The printout must clearly identify the Web-based payment network provider through which the Internet transaction was conducted.

A, G, and H all basically are receipts that show evidence of a purchase or payment although A is useful if you can get a dealer to state what a certain coin would be worth. C is useful if not receipts are available (Note if you lose a coin being shipped TO a TPG you most likely will not be able to claim a value based on the grade you think it would have graded. If the coin is already certified when lost the certified grade probably could be used for establishing a value form a catalog or price guide.

OK so that is the definitive answer, the problem is many postal workers won't know or understand the manual That is why it is important to know these manual section numbers so you can point to the exact places in their own manual that says coins ARE insurable. So when you are told that coins are not insurable you can tell them that "The Domestic Mail Manual Sect 609 part 4.1 paragraph G says they are. I've been through this before."
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I thought flat rate boxes were pretty pricey?

The small flat rate box is around $5
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Thanks SsuperDdave and Conder101 for the detailed answers. Have either of you ever had to file a claim after insuring rare coins?
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Have either of you ever had to file a claim after insuring rare coins?


Nope. I haven't suffered a single lost package in 14 years of selling on ebay, nor as a buyer.
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The small flat rate box is around $5


They also have padded flat rate mailers you can order for free from the website that cost around 5.50 that you can fit A LOT into.

Most people dont know about those since the PO doesn't carry those on the display shelves. Theres quite a bit of the flate rate packaging you have to order to use actually.
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Thought this might be of interest. I found it on the ANA website. If I'm to understand how it works you still ship through FedEx, UPS, or USPS but you purchase your insurance through these guys and they claim to have better rates AND they are specifically setup to handle collectibles.

http://www.money.org/membership/joi...enefits.aspx


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https://shipandinsure.com/default.aspx

Special login for ANA members.

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Under $10, first class non-machinable letter...65 cents.

Over $10, (000) bubble mailer first class with tracking.

Over $40, insured first class tracking.

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