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You Vs PCGS 1891-S Lsd

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another addition to the set is in transit. Reveal will come next Monday or Tuesday and I will bump.

What say you oh grading gurus of coinage?

How will you fare against the "experts" when you're all experts in your own rights

thanks for looking
enjoy

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 Posted 05/08/2013  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU-58
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AU55 another super LSD dsfreeworld!
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 Posted 05/08/2013  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Check RK55's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add RK55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am in at AU-55 also. Very nice coin! I like the reverse even better.
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 Posted 05/08/2013  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Put me down for a 55 also.
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I don't see much wear, I'd say MS-60
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 Posted 05/08/2013  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU53 here.
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I'm going to give you all the reveal now and I will post the slab pic early next week when it arrives

this is a great educational piece and has led me to learn what I think is the following lesson:

first, and I can say this since I know the grade and you do not, there is way too much mint luster present on this coin to hit lower AU range. Even by these pics if I look close enough, I can see wisps of luster that at worst would be present on an AU58 coin but I do not believe I have seen a PCGS LSD AU53/55 with so much luster present even in pics on auction archives.

second, knowing how much luster is present I turn my attention to the wear. I can see, and will see even better under 1200x magnification upon arrival, that the wear is frictional and not rubbed as would be from circulation handling. Those are bag hits and bag rubbing of coin on coin.

I can see the fine nicks on Liberty's legs, breasts, belly and arms. These nicks remind me of bag hits that I have seen and judged when discerning an MS61 Morgan from an MS64 Morgan. As most know I have an extensive LSD collection and I have PCGS AU from low to high and I can see circulation handling wear versus bag hits when comparing those coins to this.

Again, this is all my opinion that developed when trying to ascertain why most of you were going AU53/55 on an MS62 coin.

Thanks for looking as always and offering me your feedback
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The dark gray areas on all the high points that break the luster tells me that the coin has seen light circulation. Lots of marks that I think go beyond being just bag marks.
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 Posted 05/08/2013  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess was going to be AU-55.
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looks au 55 but not shocked it 62, it may have been submitted 4 times to get that
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Looks AU53 to me. Maybe 55, but there are clear signs of rubs and contact marks on the device's high points and the fields are disturbed as well. The reverse looks stronger than the obverse in the images and very close to MS.

P.S. Bag marks are completely different on large, heavy coins than they are on small, light coins. Small light coins like dimes usually do not get bag-mark breaks. Also, AU50 and AU53 coins can have much mint luster, 100% if they're dipped and/or very well preserved. If your coin graded MS it shouldn't have been IMHO.
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AU55 for me. Beautiful coin.
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it is amazing how subjective grading is in our hobby. even with a coin slabbed by the highest of holiest, beauty remains in the eye of the beholder. none of you, except one, see an MS coin here. this is what makes this fin for me, its a non stop learning experience. thank you again for all of the input, it is well received and very appreciated.
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Bummer...dsfreeworld you gave it away too soon. my initial impression was MS62, way too much luster for an AU coin. nice lookin coin!
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Guess that's why they say buy the coin and not the holder.
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