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United States
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All- I haven't had much luck finding anything of real value recently, though I've been learning a LOT about modern errors and varieties in the process. Here's one more try at something interesting. It's a 2001 D LMC that's had a rough life but exhibits some interesting characters. I apologize in advance- the buddy who helped take these images plum forgot to take a full-on obverse. Also, I didn't take the time to add all sorts of fancy arrows in Illustrator- hopefully you'll see what I'm describing. The reverse:  One interesting thing is a broken "R" in Trust. There is a recent scratch on both sides of the leg of the R, but the tip of the letter appears detached independent of the scratch:  This next image shows two more interesting things, the first being a blob stuck to the NW of the 2 in the date. The numerals are buggered up a little and the dark crease separating the blob from the numeral *may* be PMD, but it sure doesn't look like it to me. The second thing to look for is admittedly hard to see- it is an extra blob to the right of the bowtie, with irregular divits to the south and northeast. The bottom divit has a black line delimiting its top whereas the top divit has a light-colored V delimiting its bottom (the light source appears to have been from the top). When tilting the coin, the blob aaaalmost looks like the tip of a 2, and you can see shallow, smooth grooves on the field leading to the numeral 2 in the date. Could this be some sort of Mechanical Doubling?  Lastly, the letters on the reverse are poorly formed- check out the tops of the letters in "STATES". This could be the effects of worn dies, though the details on the rest of the reverse are quite good:  Anyway, I'd be curious as to your opinions. The condition of the coin is a shame, but it does have some interesting (if not valuable) details. As always, thanks! cheers, tbg |
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Valued Member
 United States
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By the way, here's an even closer-up of the bowtie and cap of the 2. It might be a little easier to see...  cheers, tbg |
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United States
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No takers on this one? I know it's beat up and there's only so much detail you can squeeze into 100KB images, but... I've added some indicator lines and an arrow to two of the above images- maybe they'll help clarify some of the admittedly obscure details I'm seeing. The first image is the broken R in TRUST- I've drawn lines indicating the break, and you can see the lighter background color of the flied between the lines.  And here's the close-up between the bow tie and the 2 in the date. The white arrow points to the extra lobe on the 2. Again, it seems too regular for PMD, and the groove does not continue *at all* on either side of the numeral. Next to the bow tie I've indicated the raised area with thin black lines and areas sunken below the field with white lines (very professionally, right?!). Tilted just right it looks almost like a displaced tip of the 2. Lastly, I added three straight lines indicating the smooth grooves running along the field, perhaps due to some Mechanical Doubling.  Again, I'd love to hear any opinions out there on this! cheers, tbg |
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United States
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I don't think any one wants to be a kill joy because you've apparently spent a lot of time analyzing and photographing a beat up Lincoln Cent that shows a lot of die wear with very miner imperfections.IMHO Let me add that you do take some extremely good pictures. keep looking |
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United States
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jasper62- thanks for the comments. While I've been collecting coins semi-seriously for over 20 years, I've never really paid much attention to errors and varieties. I'm very much interested in learning to interpret coins- identifying one type of aberration from another. It's still a bit mystifying, though, how some errors and varieties (even extremely minute ones) command a premium whereas others, perhaps just as numerically rare, are passed over.
I'd like to think I'm pretty good at spotting anomalies (after all, I look at millimeter long bugs under a dissecting scope for a living!). This particular coin, as ugly as it is, seemed to present an interesting suite of characters (albeit hard to appreciate from photos). Maybe they are just worn-die issues but, if so, I'm skeptical that I can pick out subtle errors/anomalies that really "count". Anyway, I'll keep looking,
As for the photos- thanks. I have access to a pretty impressive set up for imaging insects, which just happens to work well for coins, too! In this case, the credit really belongs to a colleague of mine how helped me out with the original images...
cheers,
tbg
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My apology if I was a killjoy.Sometimes we can look too long and hard at coins and start to see things that are not really there.Even with that said still post your coins that have concerns about them no matter how small.
If you analyze and dissect bugs as well as you did your coin it won't be long and you'll find some really cool stuff
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I really can't see some of the stuff you are pointing out but I will say that I have posted on many forums about coins and I am always finding stuff that the experienced guys say is just die wear or post mint damage. But from time to time I do find real error coins. I hope you will keep looking and post about any coin you find that interests you. Just because others don't see the error does not mean it's not there. Just put it in a flip and save it until you know better. Before long you will be finding lincoln cents with Zinc Rot like I did and other weird stuff. The stuff you want to focus on is the errors that are in the die like, Double Dies, Cuds, Die Breaks & Cracks for identifying varieties, Clashed Dies, Lamination, Planchet Flaws, Repunched Mint Marks (RPM), Misplaced Date Digits, the list goes on and on. Just google each one of these types of errors or varieties and do some research so that you know what to look for. Then you can start looking for major and minor die varieties for almost every coin every made. Sometimes the Variety thing can be confusing if you ask me so I really like to look for major errors or damage to the dies that made the coins. If you like to look at coins a lot I suggest checking out VAMworld.com if you ever find a Morgan or Peace dollar. You should be able to find the variety for any Morgan or Peace Silver Dollar on the site if the coin is not too worn. |
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jasper62- No problems- you're not a killjoy. There's a steep learning curve, but I'm enjoying the climb. It *is* frustrating to see things that don't show well on photographs but, as 7TF suggested, I'll just stash it in a flip and come back to it later. 7TF- thanks for your post- I appreciate it. A good story- I actually have about 20 Morgan and Peace dollars that I haven't looked at beyond date and mint mark. They're all more or less circulated (mostly more) and were bought at spot bullion cost by my kids and I. In our spare time we recycle cans and other metals for cash and then buy silver dollars as sort of a modern-day alchemy. I figure it teaches them about effort and reward, economics, recycling, coins, *and* it gets them outside- win win win! Right now the stash is our little "pirate treasure", but eventually most of it will be absorbed into my/our collection- I'll be looking for varieties when that day comes! papatony- Thanks for the links! I've checked out a few of them already- it's kind of overwhelming! For example, the other night I pulled out a 1989 D LMC with the mintmark on kind of cockeyed. It looks quite a bit like the 1989D-1DO-006 pictured on the coppercoins website *except* it shows no evidence of doubling *and* the mm might be even more crooked. Worth saving? I dunno- I suppose I'll throw it in a flip and worry about it later! cheers, tbg |
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