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Not alot of talk about the Platinum coins on here, I am thinking of buying a 1oz Platinum Maple Leaf at some point but dont know much about the value etc, does the spot value stay around gold spot value for the most part?

Do the Platinum coins generally increase their value more so then gold coins? Bullion or numismatic , not really sure which way I will go yet,but leaning towards the ML bullion coin.
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The numismatic one will at least give you a cushion for spot changes and would be the one that would have the most potential increase. I really like the platinum eagles myself they have some fantasic designs.

As far as the spot price the only way its tied to gold that I know of is competing against each other to some extent in jewelry. Other than that its more an an industrial metal that just happens to have coins made out of it as well

For the Canadian or American Platinum coins Id go with the numismatic ones
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Yea same here, stick to numismatic. You think gold and silver are volatile HA! wait to you see what can be done with Plat.

Plat also looks like it wants to re-test yearly lows so I would stay the heck away for now.

BTW, I been looking at plat coins myself, specifically the 2012 1 oz Platinum proof from the US Mint. They mention it has a privy mark, is this a first for this coin? Anyone?
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Platinum is still primarily an industrial metal; it's price goes up and down with the economy. As a general rule, it is not tied to gold; quite the opposite. When the economy goes into a slump, manufacturing goes down and therefore so does the demand (and price) for platinum. At the same time, gold goes up, because everybody wants to park their money somewhere "safe", and gold is "safe".

The other factor that affects platinum pricing is mining; specifically, the political stability of the platinum-mining countries, which are Russia, South Africa and a few other unimportant sources. If the economy is good but Bad Things Happen in Russia and South Africa simultaneously, the price spikes.

But historically, the price of platinum is higher than that of gold. This is why the credit card companies will upgrade your "gold" card to a "platinum" card, and why "platinum record" music has had more sales than "gold record" music. It is not unreasonable to expect this situation to reassert itself once the economy improves.
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Here is what the Canadian mint has or I should say "had" as they are sold out , seems that the price is $2999.00 for a 1oz platinum coin from them with very low mintage's (200 to 250), so its like $1400.00 more then a bullion 1oz coin.


http://www.mint.ca/store/buy/platin...ns-cat640004


The 2012 American Eagle One Ounce Platinum Proof Coin is limited to a total of 15,000 coins.Price: $1,850.00

http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wc...00&langId=-1


Australian Perth Mint:
Struck by the historic Perth Mint from 99.95% pure platinum, each collectible platinum coin's legal tender status guarantees its weight and purity. Available in limited 1/2oz, 1/10oz sizes and complete coin sets


http://www.perthmint.com.au/catalog...m-coins.aspx
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Any one else think it is strange that the American "Eagle" platinum coin doesn't have an eagle anywhere in the design? Has it always had the current design?
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I am a collector of platinum coins, but not the modern ones (even I own also some of this bullion cois.
I am interested in the history of platinum and it´s usafe as basemetal for coins, contemporary counterfeits and medals.

So my collection includes french, british, spanish and spanish-american platinum coins, starting arround 1770 up to the year 1899. (I regret, that there is no US-platinum in my collection, yet. So if you have any questions on platinum, don´t hesitate asking me.
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Any one else think it is strange that the American "Eagle" platinum coin doesn't have an eagle anywhere in the design? Has it always had the current design?


I forget what they call it but theyre in the middle of a multiyear constitution or american history series right now which is why theyres the changing reverses.
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@platinrubel Wow I didn't realize platinum coins where made in the 1700s /1800s.


I looked up on wiki for some more info on platinum coins.



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Platinum was first used for minting coins in Spanish-colonized America. Following the discovery of platinum in gold rocks, the Spaniards were unable to use it for a long time because they had no technology for processing this metal. The then-cheap platinum was used for various kinds of frauds, such as substituting it for the more expensive silver. After the discovery that platinum alloys with gold, counterfeiters began to add it to gold coins. The platinum confiscated from counterfeiters was then thrown into the sea, in accordance with the royal decree of 1735. Later, the practice of adding platinum to gold as a ligature was adopted by the authorities in Spain in order to lower the gold content of coins.[1] Also in Spain, in the mid-19th century, counterfeiters began producing British Sovereigns out of a gold-plated alloy of platinum and copper, relying on a similar specific weight of platinum and gold.[2]





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Platinum coins are a form of currency. Platinum has an international currency symbol under ISO 4217 of XPT. The issues of legitimate platinum coins were initiated by Spain in Spanish-colonized America in the 18th century and continued by the Russian Empire in the 19th century. As a form of currency, these coins proved to be impractical: platinum resembles many less expensive metals, and, unlike the more malleable and ductile silver and gold, it is very difficult to work. Several commemorative coin sets have been issued starting from 1978 and became popular among coin collectors. The major platinum bullion coins include the American Platinum Eagle, the Canadian Platinum Maple Leaf, the Australian Platinum Koala, the Isle of Man Noble, the Chinese Platinum Panda and several series by the Soviet Union and later by the Russian Federation. The production of most platinum coins stopped around 2005 except for the American Platinum Eagle â€" one of the world's most popular platinum coins â€" which was still being produced in 2009.



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I have a 2002 half oz $50 Platinum Eagle
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Nice Coin Fuzzy317 !
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can anyone tell me if the US Mint having an eagle as a privy mark in the 2012 coin,, is this the first time they have done that?
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Dont think its the first time, they had them in 2009 , I assume its on the other years as well. Also 2010 so it appears to be on them all, not sure when they started using it .


http://www.zimbio.com/Coin+Col...43;Available

http://www.coinnews.net/2010/08/12/...ins-on-sale/
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I am into $10 Platinum Proof Eagles. I've so far bought the 2004-W, 2005-W and the 2008-W coins in 70 PF UC ER. What is the best source for these coins besides ebay? In addition, is there any chance that the Mint might start issuing these coins again? Thanks.
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"As far as the spot price the only way its tied to gold that I know of is competing against each other to some extent in jewelry."

I can tell you that this is not really true. There is far more demand for gold jewelry than platinum - by a lot. Platinum requires separate tools and they are expensive due to the higher melting point compared to gold. Platinum often gets compartmentalized/specialized because very few jewelers can do every technique due to lack of time or lack of skill, meaning some places specialize in platinum and do it very well.

If I were in the platinum coin market I'd be looking at Perth Mint products for starters. I'd also be looking into Russian coins.
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