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 Posted 06/05/2013  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mhonzell...nope, don't plan on selling it. been in my collection for about 40 years and most likely will be passed to my grandson. I have never cleaned a coin and know all too well what can happen to valuable coins when some idiot tries to make it "Prettier".
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 Posted 06/05/2013  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mhonzell to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With that, I'd state the coin has no financial value. It's an heirloom with sentimental value and you want it to survive for your grandson.

If you were leaving him a Mustang, would you pass on a rusty carcass, or try to fix it up? If it's fixed up, are you going to keep it in the garage or show it off by driving it around. Your grandson would not want it if he thought he had to keep it locked up in a hermetically sealed garage.

TPGs have created this atmosphere that it is taboo to "clean" coins.
Well, that's fine for those in the business of selling proof coins or preventing cheats trying to get an extra buck. But,you'll find that well over 80% of all coins on the market have been cleaned. Another 5% have been "conserved" and another 5% are in sealed packages from the mint. Doesn't leave too many unadulterated coins. And, many of those cleaned/conserved coins are in TPG holders. (Look it up.)

You've got an heirloom, not a museum piece. But, even museums conserve their coins.

I'd consider as a minimum, a dip in Acetone (not fingernail polish) to loosen the grease followed by a cheap toothpick to gently push the dirt/grease off the coin. (Cheap toothpicks are usually a softer wood.) Soft tooth brushes work well, but not all agree with Acetone and the idea is to get plastic off the coin.

Dip the tip of the toothpick in the Acetone and rub it on a piece of glass to turn it into a soft brush. Gently push the toothpick into the dirt/grease. Usually, it will pop off in chunks. (I do this under a microscope, so they look like chunks.)

If the coin is AU, or better, a toothpick or cotton swab can harm the luster. I would advise not to clean these mechanically.

Dip coin again in the Acetone to remove the debris. Wipe (don't scrub) coin with cotton swab soaked in Acetone to remove residual grease. Air dry the coin (takes seconds.) Then, dip in distilled water and pat dry with a dry cotton swab.

Liquid Acetone has NO chemical reaction with copper. Acetone, air and copper do, but any Acetone left on the coin will completely evaporate and the duration is not long enough to cause a reaction. If you don't use distilled water, you will leave some minerals on the coin (think dishwasher spotting on glass.)

Wear a nitrile glove on the hand that handles the coin. (Again, don't want the glove to dissove in the Acetone.) Then, when you put the coin back in it's display, it won't have a fingerprint that slowly eats at the coin.

PRACTICE on common coins first. It's amazing what you can do with a toothpick.

Again, if you are looking to sell this coin, don't change it. Somebody, some day will submit it for grading and the TPG will see hairline scratches (probably from a previous cleaning, or just slipping it in and out of the display you have) and then refuse to grade it. When you pass it on to your grandson, any hairline scratches will have developed a normal patina on them again.

Obviously, I'm very opinionated on the topic and to some, I've destroyed all my coins. But, my grandkids enjoy my coins, handle them, know some of their history, and bring me the coins they find to be "restored." I know they'll enjoy their collections.
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That sounded like a can of worms being opened !
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mhonzell...nope, don't plan on selling it. been in my collection for about 40 years and most likely will be passed to my grandson. I have never cleaned a coin and know all too well what can happen to valuable coins when some idiot tries to make it "Prettier".


You're correct in not trying to remove anything from the surface of your coin. As BadThad noted, removing the contaminants will expose long covered metal that will likely be a different color, possibly porous, and "vulnerable" to further problems.

Should be authenticated with PCGS being the TPG of choice these days.
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Liquid Acetone has NO chemical reaction with copper. Acetone, air and copper do, but any Acetone left on the coin will completely evaporate and the duration is not long enough to cause a reaction. If you don't use distilled water, you will leave some minerals on the coin (think dishwasher spotting on glass.)


First off - you REALLY should not be advocating that people attempt to conserve their $1000+ coins. For the average Joe, 99.99% of the time they will end-up ruining a perfectly good coin. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH A LITTLE GRIME ON A COIN! As long as it's not corrosion, it's fine to just leave it on there. Home conservation is fine for ground finds and cheap coins. Other than that, leave the conservation to the pros. You really need to consider tempering your comments in the future or you're likely to lead a newbie collector down the wrong path as I can tell you're pretty intelligent but definitely do not have a very deep understanding of chemistry.

There is no reason to rinse with water AFTER using acetone. There are NO MINERALS in acetone. It's an organic solvent and it cannot even harbor metallic ions in any appreciable amount. The spots left on glasses after using a dishwasher are from hard water, i.e. calcium and magnesium. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN WITH ACETONE. I never, never, never recommend a final rinse with water as it will completely rehydrate the surfaces. The final step before storage should ALWAYS be with acetone to dehydrate the coin.
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Thank you for tempering my post with yours.

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Read as you collect. Never let a coin lie in your cabinet that you cannot give the history of, or connect with some historical event if it be possible. Be careful that your collecting does not become a mere matter of curiosity. Let it rather be a constant aid to your study."

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