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one more for any feedback thanks  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like an MS coin. I'll guess MS62.
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Pillar of the Community
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Looks at least an AU-58 and could very likely be MS.
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I'm thinking AU details - ex jewlery piece.
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I'm thinking AU details - ex jewlery piece. tell me what you see for that West...I'm so green here and learning and this is what I need...ple ASE |
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Unless the circular line around the coin is a die crack, I think it's an impression left from a bezel mount for a chain, it's on both sides. The coin would AU for that IMO.
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West, that's informative. I had no idea how to spot pieces pulled from a bezel mount. I will inspect under scope cam tonight and see if it is a die crack or not.
great info
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Also check out the rims and denticle areas for signs of old depressions made by clamps or bezel crimps.
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The circular line around the periphery doesn't look like it was from a mount. Had it been mounted with enough pressure to create that displacement of metal, the mint mark, which is raised, should show some damage/flattening and it doesn't appear to be from the pictures. That circular line is common on indian quarter and half eagles and from my reading is the result of die buckling. The presence of it doesn't affect the grade. This coin, from Heritage's archives, is graded NGC MS-65 and has the same circular line. If you do a little searching, there are many others throughout both series with the same feature. But like westcoin mentioned, many were used in jewelry. Often these will have damage near the periphery and/or edges and many times will be cleaned or polished. Yours doesn't appear to have these signs. |
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Circular lines around the periphery of incuse Indian Head gold coins are common. I believe it is a striking characteristic but don't know the cause for sure. Westcoin is correct to point out these "rings" may have been caused by a bezel because they could be. There appearance on problem-free pieces is seemingly unique to G$2.50 and G$5.00 Indians. Here's a 1910 G$5 in PCGS MS64:  |
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I'm going with AU58. it could be the lighting but I'm seeing what could be circulation wear on the tail feathers, the back-ends of the arrows, a little on the legs as well as Indian cheek and tops of the stars on the obv.
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I'm at an AU-58 as well, looks like a bit of wear on the cheek as well as the other areas already mentioned.....
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I have looked this coin over carefully under 1200x magnification microscope and although I am a pure amateur, I believe the markings are not PMD but rather a strike issue at the mint, more closely related to die cracks. The lines are raised above the surface, not depressed in. I am very thankful for all of your comments and insight. This is a great education as always here at the CCF. |
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AU-58 or MS-60
A very nice coin
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