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Pillar of the Community
1028 Posts |
You will lose a case on ebay unless the buyer made the mistake of saying something like this in the message he sent you. "I didn't read your full description when I first bought the set and I didn't know it wasn't complete. Your description is accurate, but I couldn't tell from the pictures." ebay cases opperate in an extremely black and white manner. If a buyer says it wasn't as described, it doesn't matter how true it was, they will rule against you. However, if a buyer actually says it was described and they didn't read it, ebay will rule in a seller's favor. I know the item was perfectly described as far as common sense goes, but I actually do believe they you didn't do a good enough job to meet ebay's standards. There is an issue with whether or not certain coins are actually BU and the pictures, in and of themselves, are not satisfactory. I think the buyer paid a fair price, unless several of the early bunch are, indeed, AU. Even then, it'd be ballpark.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
You folks are way off base here. His listing clearly sated what you would get with this lot. I agree that you should have provided better photos with a piece of white paper between your pages so that the empty slot stand out, but your description is spot on. I would take up this case with ebay. I have won the last three cases filed against me. All were ruled "buyer remorse" which is not covered by buyer protection. As long as your photos are clear and your description is accurate, you have done all you can do. Also by going through with the case ebay will monitor for malicious feedback. You folks make ebay out to be this big bad monster, when in fact it is a great place to buy and sell. I have been on ebay since 1999. My feedback score is over 1200, and I have never had a single negative or neutral feedback left. Also you may consider on large priced items like this, adding to your return policy. I would add in a "restocking fee", a percentage of the sale that will cover your shipping charges. It will also cut back on the riff raff bidder, because they will be out some money no matter if the keep the item or not.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
Not sure I'm following you seal006. If the buyer wants to return the item, the reason could be anything. When you say you "won" the cases, do you mean you didn't accept returns, were allowed to keep the money, and the buyers forced to keep coins they weren't satisfied with?  Many coin sellers complain that ebay has turned into a approval service since seller's are required to accept returns for any reason. That's why I'm not following you. Buyer's Remorse or not, if the buyer simply says they want to return the item you need to accept it if it's within the terms (i.e. 14 days, original condition, etc). Please explain how to avoid accepting returns for Buyer's Remorse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
That is where you are wrong. Buyer's remorse is not a valid reason for a return. Only policy violations, broken items, and items that are not the same as pictured or described. In each case the buyer was threatening to open a case. In each incident I contacted ebay at the first sign of trouble. They actually look more favorably on the person that contacts them first. Each time I was instructed to tell the buyer to open a case. Because I provide accurate descriptions with quality photos, and have a satisfaction rate of 100%, ebay is more than happy to help me. To automatically think ebay will ALWAYS decide for the buyer is just wrong. If you follow ebay's rules, you cannot go wrong, but you must follow them exactly.
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Valued Member
Australia
491 Posts |
The buyer can do what they like to a seller on ebay! That is life! I have never been given a reason in writing for a return. The very experience rip off buyers open up a case with the ebay computer or pay pal and that is that. The people that have a true issue will tell you very politely the item has not arrived yet and then they get a instant refund from us and in most cases another item that is the same or of the same value is mailed out. I could not be happier with ebay and its strange ways. We now have a phone number with a rap that you will be answered in 3mins by a real person. A couple more days and we will have our 2000 positive feedbacks and we have only been trading two & half years. We have had over 500 auction sales in the last 3 weeks from our new anchor store. We have had a .com store and now a .com.au store.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
Quote: The people that have a true issue will tell you very politely the item has not arrived yet and then they get a instant refund from us and in most cases another item that is the same or of the same value is mailed out. This is why I only ship within the USA, and I ALWAYS use the postal service ap through ebay so I always have a tracking number. About 3 years ago someone said they never received my item, yet the confirmation stated it had been delivered. ebay believed the buyer, but did not force me into a refund. Instead they paid the buyer, not me. That is part of the protection program few people understand.
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Valued Member
Australia
491 Posts |
We got hit in a Europe area earlier this year by several buyers in the one area and they got over $600 worth of lot out of us in two weeks.
One more hit like that and it will be our country buyers only.
Over 95% of our buyers are from our home land. But........
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7840 Posts |
Interesting thread. I can see both sides, but what sticks out in my mind is "NO RETURNS". What part of that is so hard to understand? Quote: I stated no returns but am I obligated to take a return?
Edited by oih82w8 06/05/2013 09:12 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4085 Posts |
What seal006 is saying is correct. EVEN if a seller offers a 14 day return policy, they DON''T have to take the item back if it is a case of buyer's remorse. I had an incident earlier this year with a seller where I bought a Lincoln Cent in a non top 3 slab. Some of these can be pretty nice but in this case the photos did not show the fact that it had been recently dipped (the photos appeared to show a toned coin). Since he had a 14 day return policy, I contacted him and politely explained the issue. He became very confrontational and told me to open a case. When I opened the case, he then responded that if the item returned was the one he sent, he would refund me. After that though he became very difficult about instructions for the return and so I escalated the case to ebay. Much to my surprise, ebay found in the seller's favor. After many calls to ebay, I finally got escalated to a senior customer service person who explained that, counter to what you might think, a seller does NOT have to accept a return even if they have a return policy. In my case however, he admitted that ebay messed up because the seller had agreed to the return in writing. That was the only thing that prevented me with being stuck with the coin. I had assumed I was protected by the 14 day return policy but I was not. That definitely has changed my buying habits on ebay. So - bottom line - there are very specific rules around returns and you can't return an item unconditionally.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
Quote: So - bottom line - there are very specific rules around returns and you can't return an item unconditionally EXACTLY. I feel that many of those that gripe and moan about ebay have become spoiled by the internet and Walmart. Most of the sellers you deal with on ebay are very small one man/woman operations. Most would not be able to keep selling if they had to accept returns 100%. That is why there are policies in place to protect them as well as their buyers. Education is key. The more you know about ebay the more you will know how to use it to help you. If you know more about it than your buyers you have a very BIG advantage when issues arise.
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Rest in Peace
United States
2668 Posts |
The listing was obfuscating. Yes, everything was stated, just like the healthcare bill.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
Quote: The listing was obfuscating. How is this confusing? "Here is a list of all the coins included in the album:"
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
So the buyer simply not liking the coin is not reason for return? Buyer, "It was darker than I thought or had a tiny spot", are not valid reasons for return? Please explain because dozens of the largest ebay powersellers of coins are taking these on the chin every day.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
If the photos are accurate representation of the coin, showing true color or showing that tiny spot, then no those are not valid reasons for a return. Most powersellers just give in because it is easier than fighting. on a small priced item that would be good practice. On high dollar items, I say fight.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
Who makes the call on accurate representation? Coins always look different in-hand and some buyers are picky. If the buyer doesn't like the coin and wants to return it within the parameters of the return policy? Sorry. The buyer will get their money back whether or not you choose to refund it or not. ebay and/or PayPal may be the ones paying the buyer but rest assured, the buyer does not have to accept a coin they are not happy with.
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