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Fake/Forged/Copied Notes Do Really Exist!

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I was on a $10 without serials note post the other day when I mentioned that I purchased a $10 Coombs Wilson forgery from IAG not too long ago.

I'm into my $50's as I'm sure a lot of you know. I actually got handed a fake $50 the other day in the shop & I spotted it straight up as soon as I saw the note. I said to my regular, "That's a fake!" & she was like, what do you mean? where I replied it's a fake. I said to her that I'm a collector. She was like are any of the rest of them fake? I assume the bank had just given her a bundle ($500 worth)of $50's. Then she scrunched it (& I was thinking...NO! you can't do that). She said I'll take it back to the bank & I said, I can do it for you, the guys at the bank know me well. That's not going to the bank, that's staying in my collection. I've been waiting to see a fake note come in & it has finally happened. I've had a handful of fake $2's come in, but about time a note came in.

Below is my collection of notes that I have had in my possession in the past? Is that the best was to phrase it?

Here was the one from IAG: Coombs/Wilson, apparently it was a common forgery back then, which is why they started working on the Polymer's not too soon after the decimal currency began in Australia.
Fake/Forged/Copied-Notes-Do-Really-Exist!

A reasonably impressive $10, looks better in person, but extremely creased. It actually has the wavey plastic pressed lines on the window. That's what I call effort. But I think that note's passed its use-by & it's time to go back to the mint for shredding:
Fake/Forged/Copied-Notes-Do-Really-Exist!

A horrible effort on a $10...look at the WINDOW? Is it suppose to look like a palm tree?
Fake/Forged/Copied-Notes-Do-Really-Exist!

The first fake/forged/copied note I have seen in circulation. A reasonable effort. A non-collector would know no different.
Fake/Forged/Copied-Notes-Do-Really-Exist!

ALL OF THIS IS JUST A STORY...apparently
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 Posted 06/03/2013  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A horrible effort on a $10...look at the WINDOW? Is it suppose to look like a palm tree?

It's a pretty flower!

Did they take the window from a $5 note and carefully cut it up to make that? Seems an awful lot of trouble to go to for $5 profit.


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The first fake/forged/copied note I have seen in circulation. A reasonable effort. A non-collector would know no different.

It does look pretty good, except the Southern Cross looks like it was done by Ken Done... or maybe copied off the $2 coin.

I think both these notes demonstrate that it's the clear plastic window that is currently causing the average counterfeiter the most grief.
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 Posted 06/03/2013  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing, very interesting information.!!
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Excellent notes Goatieman! Thanks for posting all of that. That $50 is close eh (apart from the stars). I've heard that you can check fake notes by scratching at the stars with a coin ..... comes off it's a fake. In you instance I think no scratching would be required
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Thanks for posting those.
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Are you allowed to own and keep fake notes in Australia? In the USA it is against the law to not report any fakes or forgeries. Posting a fake US bill might attract a visit from the feds.
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In the USA it's actually perfectly legal to own counterfeit notes and currency, so long as you have no intent to defraud anyone with them (otherwise counterfeit collectors -- people whose aim is to educate the public about fakes -- would be in hot water). Intent is the crux of how the law is written. :-)
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I've never been anywhere near Australia but I think that Southern Cross wouldn't even fool me - was it done in crayon?

Our new polymer notes have entire clear ribbons running down the bills, with a holographic Parliament Building/Canada flag/numbers all included. I can't wait to see how badly they get copied, if this is anything to go by
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Are you allowed to own and keep fake notes in Australia?


I don't think so (I'm fairly certain the answer is no but I don't know what the legislation says).
I've only ever seen fakes here being displayed by police.
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In Australia I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that Mr.T is on the money.
My issue is I have no intent to defraud anyone with them & I consider myself to be a counterfeit collector.
The question is I purchased the $10 Coombs/Wilson note from an auction house. But that $10 can & is sometimes still used as legal tender. It is also my aim is to educate us collectors about fakes.
So hmm...
I've posted many a post about the different types of counterfeits out there, I'm just doing my collecting with the occasional counterfeit coming through unexpectedly.
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