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Hey everyone just wanted to share this one with you all. Today I was out looking for varieties until I found this 1915 shilling with a misaligned 9 and someone on ccf actually owns it markn. At the moment it is relatively rare with every 4 1915 shillings sighted only one will display the variety and it is not linked to the other variety with the second 1 leaning left or right as both coins shown have the same alignment of the second 1. Here it is: Normal nine  Misaligned nine  |
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I have 3 of them but it's difficult to see which varieties they are    |
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correction: I think the middle is normal 9, the top and bottom look like misaligned 9  |
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Hey stevo I had a look at them and the first and last ones of yours are the misaligned 9's while the middle one is the normal 9. Here are the pictures: First Misaligned  Second Normal  Third Misaligned  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the info OMF good to know,does it also apply to
the 1915H ?
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't yet know I will try and figure it out
Update inspected 5 and no variation yet
Update inspected 8 and it does not appear that there is any variation whatsoever I think this variation may only occur on London issues of 1915 although it is probably likely that it does also spread to other issues such as threepence and florin to be confirmed
Penny shows no signs of variety 4 inspected
Threepence shows no signs of variety 5 inspected
Florin shows no signs of variety 5 inspected
If anyone does in fact find one of these please show us because at this rate it is probably very rare personally I don't think that this variety in the 1915 penny, threepence or florin mintage is present and at the moment is purely unique to the 1915 Shilling.
Edited by oh my florin
05/29/2013 08:17 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice find.
I think Jon Saxton's musings about the different spacings of the 19 on 1914 florins is relevant here.
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I have a note on my 1915 coins of "narrow" and "wide" dates. Would that be right then?
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I know there is a narrow or a wide date for the 1913 halfpenny
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To be honest I don't see a difference in the width of the date. Anyway the following website shows both varieties I think the difference between the wide and narrow date is a way to tell between the 2nd 1 leaning right and the 2nd 1 leaning left variety?(fred levers reference book) http://www.triton.vg/S15.htmlWhile this variety at the moment has only been confirmed on coins with the 2nd 1 leaning right which eliminates the narrow and wide date variety as an influence on this variety? by the way this would have to confirm the use of a second master die for the 1915 shilling mintage because its a variety with the nine which isn't punched onto the single dies but only on the master dies? correct me if I am wrong don't want to go of believing one thing when its wrong. p.s. I don't think it is a different spacing more misaligned got to this opinion by looking at the first two pictures of mine comparing the alignment of the 9's I analysed the narrow and wide date shillings and both have the same alignment of the nine (normal) so it cant be just another indicator of these varieties and is in fact an entirely new variety. Here are the pictures proving this: Narrow Date  Wide Date  Edited by oh my florin
05/30/2013 03:29 am
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Hey back again with news turns out that this is not isolated to the shilling series with an example of a 1915 threepence with the misaligned 9 confirmed at the moment (it is not as easy to tell as the shilling). This variety in general is relatively rare with only 3/7 shillings with the 2nd 1 leaning right displaying this variety so if the other variety of 1 leaning left included only 3/14 examples display the variety while the misaligned 9 on the 1915 threepence is quite rare with only 1/6 showing the variety while an example for the florin hasnt yet been sighted so if anyone has a 1915 florin that you think may be an example please post it. It would likely be the same rarity as the threepence if not rarer. Also just now found a 1915 penny which displays the variety although it isn't as dramatic as the other ones and therefore harder to pick out. 1915 threepence normal  1915 threepence misaligned 9  1915 penny normal  1915 penny misaligned 9  |
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Pillar of the Community
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You are certainly keeping yourself busy OMF.I have some
1915 threepences which I should check on some time
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haha maybe start writing a book at this pace?  Anyway I have done a bit of hard math to find the rarity of the varieties 1915 shilling 55% 2nd 1 leans left 26% 2nd 1 leans right and normal 9 19% 2nd 1 leans right and misaligned 9 1915 threepence 83% normal 9 17% misaligned 9 1915 penny 83% normal 9 17% misaligned 9 These percentages are of total mintage and are purely preliminary but should give an idea on rarity. Edited by oh my florin
05/30/2013 07:39 am
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Hm, interesting that it appears on other denominations too.
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At the moment it is only confirmed on London mint issues and not Heaton mint issues which makes me think that it must be due to different procedures for example the London mint had two master dies or more while the Heaton mint only had one
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