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Does The BEP Ever Print FRNs With All "Zeros"

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When the BEP starts a print run of any denomination of Federal Reserve note, is the first note's serial number "A00000000A" or is it always "A00000001A"? I have been wondering this for a long time. I would hope that they print an all zero note as the first note, but I'm sure the Treasury would keep the low serial number notes just for displaying purposes.
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 Posted 06/03/2013  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jim61 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They start with 00000001
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 Posted 06/04/2013  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aww, darn. No "all zeros" Thats too bad, because I think an all zero bill would be awesome.
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 Posted 06/04/2013  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jim61 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is for regular production of notes by the BEP. The all zeros can be found on Speciman notes.
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A lot of Specimen notes have ladder serial numbers and the ones I have seen with all zero's usually come with a price tag that has a lot of zero's in it as well.
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There exists one $1 FRN with a 00000000 serial number that made it to circulation in error. Cannot find a picture of it right now :/
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Wow I wish you had found that picture. That would be a sight. The only notes I've seen with all zeros are specimin notes as mentioned before.
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Seems like I have read that all zero notes, are replaced with star notes
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 Posted 06/12/2013  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baysinger626 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So it would be A00000000A*?
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I dont think so GR58. At least on modern notes.
Star notes start with a 00000001*. The star replaces the last letter in the serial. The first letter on small head bills is the district letter. On modern big head bills the second letter is the district letter and the first letter refers to the series. Feel free.to correct my if I'm wrong, bu I believe thats how it works. At least with FRNs. Nationals and, USNs, certificates and on demand notes could be different, but most start with a 1.
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Except for sheets printed for collectors, blocks end at 96000000 now for $1-$20, and since the 70s or 80s I believe, so they wouldn't have to go through the hassle of printing the odd block up to 99999999. The note that was/would have been 00000000 (the rollover note) was thrown out and replaced with a star, I believe.

Nowadays, *most* notes that end in 9999 or 0000 are replaced by stars to avoid misaligned numbers. Occasionally a few make it through, I believe.

Yes, star blocks generally start with 00000001*
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So it would be A00000000A*?


That is not what I am saying.

In my small size currency guide it states

"Star notes are also used to replace the 100 millionth note, instead of a note with serial number 00 000 000 as printed.

We know of at least one instance where, through error, the note with serial number A00 000 000A escaped replacement in the Bureau"

I guess what I am saying is that with the auto numbering system, all zero notes are printed .. but are suppose to be replaced by star notes.

Edit - The guide also states that the A00 000 000A note was at the ANA show in Boston in 1973
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And thats why I love this forum. I'm constantly learning new things.
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I could be wrong, but I was of the belief that when the Serial Numbers counted down and reached 00000000, it was programmed to stop the 3rd printing process.
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Broken_coin, I am just going by the guide I have.

It sounds like coinsearcher83 information could be right and sort of what your saying.

I would think, this might have been a problem in the past .. using analog counting/serial numbering system.

I would hope that in these modern times the BEP should have a system where
all zero's would not happen. But .. I go with never say never ... when dealing with our government. It has been over 20 years since I have been to the BEP .. even then they did not let me get very close to the systems ... only on walkways, looking down on the process.
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All zeroes do not happen today. This is because regular print runs for $1 through $20 bills ends at 96000000. Thus, a print run for these notes is made of 3 million sheets of 32 notes each. ($50 and $100 go to 99600000 or something like that, I believe).
After the block is finished, the next block letter is used, starting at 00000001.
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