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1880 3 Cent Nickel Proof With Missing Details?

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Ok, I really need the help of the Forum experts on this one!!


I've been trying to upgrade my 3 Cent Nickel collection lately and just got an 1880 3 Cent Nickel Proof in the mail.

When I was taking pictures of it, I noticed the reverse wreath was missing details on the two ends below the bow.

I thought Proofs ALWAYS had all their details! I immediately got a VERY bad feeling in the pit of my gut!!

Does anyone know of Proofs missing details of their design?


Here's some pictures. Tell me what you all think! Thank you.


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I believe this is a result of multiple polishings of the die. Shallow parts of the die are removed and the details start to sink away into the fields. Some of my older proofs show some of this, though less then I see on yours. Some of my proofs also show a little weakness of strike too, but not to the extent seen on many circulation strikes.
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First one I looked up at Heritage was weak in that area. Not as bad as yours, but bad. Considering how hard Business Strikes were to do back then, I can only imagine what a job striking nickel Proofs was.
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Ok.... you guys have talked me off the ledge! (I truly was not happy there for a while...)


There are a few 1880 Proofs on ebay right now. This one particularly shows the reverse wreath weakness.


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I've always thought the missing bow details were of multiple die polishings.
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Moe ; Here is a scan of my 1880. As you can see it also has the bow details polished away.

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Thanks SsuperDdave, Susuman and Gary. I feel much better now. You guys RULE!!
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I believe ALL 1880 Proofs have those same missing details.
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Oddly, Gifford doesn't indicate those missing details on either of the Proof varieties he lists, and they are not missing on the P2 variety he shows pictures of. In fact the only variety where specifically mentions those missing details is on the B05 variety, a business strike only die pair.
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On the topic of the Gifford book, I see that someone is trying to sell a decent copy of it for $500 on ebay!
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I assume they had to scrub the dies really hard to keep that nice proof field going, especially when working with nickel (that damnable metal responsible for the downsizing of our half-dollar).
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Die polishing was common in the 19th century, esp on proofs
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