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France Prohibits Mailing Currency, Coins And Bullion

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Are there any members in this forum that live in France that can confirm this?

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/201...etals&page=3

By Mark O'Byrne
June 7, 2013

France has prohibited the sending of currency, "coins and precious metals" by mail.

In new legislation which was enacted May 23rd, the French government decreed that it is forbidden to send all forms of currency - coins and cash and all forms of precious metals - " coins, bars and jewellery by mail.

The legislation was published on Legifrance, the French government entity responsible for publishing legal texts online and can be seen here.

It was not announced by the government and not covered in the media. There were no communications and nobody in the government justified or explained this decision.

The legislation says that "the insertion of banknotes, coins and precious metals is prohibited in mailings, including the insured items, registered items and items subject to formalities certifying deposition and distribution. "

Some have suggested that the decree is to limit what is known in France as "the anonymous market", the market in which no taxes are paid and people are free to trade without the supervision of banks and government.

However, euro coins and notes and gold bullion coins and bars attract no tax in France and therefore this is more likely to be an attempt to discourage the ownership of gold bullion and cash outside of the banking system and is a form of capital control.

It may also be an attempt to restrict the growing private market in France of people buying bullion online through ebay which is increasingly popular.

The freedom of people to trade amongst themselves is a form of civil liberty as is the right to privacy.

The selling and the buying of precious metals in France are already subject to strict regulations.

Until September 2011, citizens could easily buy and sell gold coins and bars with cash but this was forbidden then when French citizens were forbidden to buy with cash in person and had to buy precious metals by trade mail, crossed cheque and by wire transfer or be "punished by a fine of fifth grade" which is a fine of some €1,500/oz.

The government decree does not specify that other independent companies cannot send gold and or silver coins or bars by mail. Indeed, it is only the French public company or national post company, La Poste that is forbidden in the decree.

However, 3 months ago in March, Fedex began stopping French people from taking delivery of precious metals.

At the start of the year, UPS began stopping French people from taking delivery of precious metals.

Perhaps not coincidentally, in recent days Fedex have stopped allowing companies and individuals to send or receive gold and other precious metal bullion coins and bars by insured mail in Germany and the UK.

This is an important story that bears watching as it appears that governments internationally, from India to France are attempting to control, restrict and make it difficult for their citizens to own bullion.

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So how is the French mint supposed to send out products or do they not have direct sales?
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Good question basebal21.
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This is very interesting.......
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basebal - I would bet they have an exception in place for their own products. It would be interesting to actually hear why they think they need to do this. Is it something to do with the Euro that is really driving it?
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The posting of coins and bullion is prohibited in Australia but that doesn't stop anyone.
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In Australia, does that mean that you just can't insure the coins or does it mean you are breaking a law when you do so?

Is this in the future for all countries? Sure would kill the rare coin market.
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I assume it's one of a number of measures designed to stop a "black" economy where people can horde and/or trade large amounts of bullion without the tax man knowing about it.
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It would be interesting to actually hear why they think they need to do this.


Im sure their mint wouldnt care and would just do what it wants but youd be surprised how little thinking goes into some of these laws. NY for example had to scramble when they forgot to have exemptions for cops with their new gun laws.

As far as this goes my assumption is that they want the money to stay in France. ebay was specifically mentioned where we know you can buy from anywhere. Part of it probably is to keep the flowing flowing in France and then part the French being the French not wanting their historical coins going around the world as trophies for people.
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Sounds like the old USSR or was it the GDR that made you change all your currency to theirs and when you left and could not mail any home. People still did it though. It's probably why Sioberia is so populated now. I wonder what the penalty in France if you're caught breaking the no-mail law.
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I read somewhere it only prohibits the trasfer of these items though the government mail system, aka USPS. I have also read that the UPS and FEDEX is going along with this directive although not required to do so.
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Are you sure about USPS restriction regarding sending Ag/Au coins?
May be when it's international (which involve a country that may restrict such action), but I haven't heard/read about such restriction for w/in USA mailing via USPS.
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