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Counterfeit 1909 S VDB? Looks Like The S Was Added.

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 Posted 06/18/2013  12:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Barbados25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Taking some close-ups of the 'S' makes me feel like this is a fake, or rather an S added to a regular 1909 VDB. Can anyone confirm?

Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.
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 Posted 06/18/2013  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, the S doesn't look right. Check this link out...

http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfei...incoln-Cents

Oh, and to the CCF Barbados25!
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06/18/2013 12:26 pm
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 Posted 06/18/2013  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billymac11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Per your original link, sure does look suspicious. It's just not right.
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 Posted 06/18/2013  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like it. Should be bought certified.
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 Posted 06/18/2013  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The_Duke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kind of a tough phot to judge. The severe angle distorts my perspective.

And of course, welcome.
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 Posted 06/18/2013  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Barbados25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's pretty beat up, hard to see clearly. Here's a view straight on:

Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.
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 Posted 06/18/2013  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That honestly could be anything.
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 Posted 06/19/2013  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see nothing that screams "counterfeit" right off the bat, though I will say it is obviously really worn.
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 Posted 06/19/2013  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Barbados25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another weird thing I noticed is the "O" in GOD is broken:

Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.
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 Posted 06/19/2013  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb1877 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are four known obverse dies that were used to strike these. There are four mint mark positions, which are slightly different from one another, on authentic examples. Here is a link to PCGS's website regarding this:

http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfei...incoln-Cents

Compare your coin to the pics on the PCGS website. Could you post a pic of the reverse? Specifically the VDB.
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 Posted 06/19/2013  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Barbados25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, it's pretty beat up. Seems to line up correctly though:


Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.
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 Posted 06/19/2013  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still think it's just reeeeally worn but probably legitimate. If you want, take it to a coin dealer and ask them to give it a good once-over for their opinion.
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 Posted 06/20/2013  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb1877 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've looked at this thread several times and I'm just not sure what to think of it. In my opinion, it's worth enough if authentic to justify sending it to a top TPG for authentication.
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 Posted 06/21/2013  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add specksynder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, so it's tough to say as damaged as this coin is, but I think it's not legit. (Just my opinion.) I took the photos from PCGS site that cwb8539 linked, and I overlaid to two dies that looked closest to your coin.

First, your coin with the mint-markish blob outlined in red:
Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.

Next, die position #1 overlaid with the mint mark outlined in blue:
Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.

Next, die position #2 overlaid with the mint mark outlined in green:
Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.

Finally, all three superimposed at the same time:
Counterfeit-1909-S-VDB?-Looks-Like-The-S-Was-Added.

I think they are close, so the damage or my poor photoshop skills may allow this to be a real coin.

The mint mark seems less worn than the date. I wonder if that's common or a tell.
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