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Hello guys,
I bought these four coins from ebay and I am hoping if someone can help me identify them. To which years do they date back to? What was the dynasty called? Who was the ruler at that time?
I would also really appreciate it if you guys can include the link that identifies the coin.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091875....m1439.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129260786....m1439.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/40051066791....m1439.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091771....m1439.l2649

Thanks in advance!
And I do know that I have over paid for the seller, but that is because I preferred to buy from him. He is the only seller that I know that has packages that reaches worldwide in 3-5 days STANDARD mail. Not even with priority. Also, after a number of coins, you get free shipping for any more coins included in your purchase. Even if you ordered 100 coins.
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Thanks!
Can anyone help with the others and check if allranger's offered one is the same one.
It looks the same to me I am not sure really.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This seller may be cheap and quick, but doesn't seem to know much about his "Chinese" coins.

#1: Is not actually Chinese, but is from old Vietnam. It is a 7 cash (or 7 van, also spelled 7 phan) piece, from the reign of the Nguyen emperor Gia Long (reigned 1802-1820). You can see several examples on this zeno.ru page.

#2: China, from the reign of the Qian Long emperor (1736-1795), Board of Works mint. Extremely common - and with that damage, NOT "high grade". Zeno.ru example.

#3: I can't ID this one right now; given the combination of crudeness of script and thick border, I suspect it too is Vietnamese.

#4: Here we have a coin that actually does qualify as "old", "Chinese" and "high grade". It's a Song Dynasty cash, from emperor Zhezong during his Yuan You era (AD 1086-1094). Song Dynasty coins were often produced in "pairs" or "sets", with the same legend written in different scripts or fonts. Your coin is similar to this one, which is written in "grass script", a very fluid, ink-like writing style.
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 Posted 07/01/2013  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#3 Wu Sangui.
Zhao Wu tong bao 1678
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Genuine cast cash coins in iron zinc and lead can be elusive. They can be a worthy addition to any cash coin collection.
Just be beware of fakes.
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I really appreciate your replies.
I will be aware of fakes, though this seller never had a past experience of selling fakes.
Also, is number #3 Vietnamese?
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Also, is number #3 Vietnamese?

We can't tell just from the pic. Genuine coins from this legend date from the Chinese rebel Wu Sangui in 1678. His coins are fairly scarce, by comparison with typical Chinese cash coins. The zeno.ru page for them only lists 20 coins, compared to the hundreds of types listed for the mainstream Qing emperors.

Wu Sangui ruled an area in the south of China, near the Vietnam border. As such, his coins found their way into Vietnam where they were copied by the locals. This list of Vietnamese copies of Chinese coins indicates Wu Sangui's coins were being copied in Vietnam not long after the rebel died.

As I said, the wide rims on your piece make me think it might a Vietnamese copy, but being a rebel, his quality control may not have been very good. This one, for example, looks very close to yours and is considered genuine. The best way to discern the difference is by weight: Vietnamese copies are always lightweight, often under 2 grams, almost always under 3 grams. There's even a class of Vietnamese counterfeit known as "floaters", because they're so light they float on water. Genuine Wu Sangui coins ought to weigh over 3.5 grams.
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Sap, I do not know how I'll live without you.
You're the most help!
Thanks a lot :)
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#3 is Yuan Yu Tong Pao, N. Sung Dyn. Running script variety. Worth about $1.
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Can I have a link to the third coin?
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JCM meant "#4", not "#3". Coin #3 is like the ones linked to in my previous post.
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