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Newfoundland 1873-H 5 Cent NGC/ICCS Cross-Grade Results

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At the recent TOREX show this lovely 1873H 5 cent was submitted for cross-grading.

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The result:
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A F-15 was a possibility in only my most private fantasies; I thought F-12 was not an unreasonable expectation. Was NGC that far off the mark? Does light in fact lurch at a mere 124188 miles per second? The strong rim and overall detail ought to mitigate the bun wear somewhat.

The coin is no less a favorite in light of this as it's still the 1873H NGC F-15 that I feel fortunate to have in my set.

Your thoughts on the coin and the grades are appreciated.
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I would have agreed with ICCS on this one. In my opinion there's a bit too much wear in the hair and face for it to be fine.

But that's just my Two Cents on your five cents...
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There is a lot of wear on her face and the top part of her head but the ear and the hair to the upper left of the ear is still detailed. To be honest I've seen coins with more wear graded f12 by ICCS. In my opinion f12 would have been my guess. F15 may have been a little out of reach.
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I'd give it F12.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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F-12, being very close to F-15 in my opinion.
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It looks so close between a VG10 and F12... I thought the latter at first, but can't argue with what ICCS gave it. And it is a very nice coin.
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May be overgraded by NGC but definitely a coin that belongs in a hard holder.
Why won't ICCS provide what collecters need.
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I'd call it F-12. I'd crack it out and submit raw.
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a VG coin. Send it to NNC then SGS then China until you get the number you want.......
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Quote:
...then China until you get the number you want..


Only thing bad about that, is that the Chinese will duplicate it and send it back to Canada as a counterfeit...
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Just to clarify... Thomas Jefferson has a nice somewhat RARE.. NFLD coin, which if I had one I would try to get the best possible grade that I could out of this coin.
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nickelsguy, this is not about "getting the number I want"; it is about fostering a strong understanding of coin grading. All I was after was an objective explanation of this result. If I knew everything there is to know about grading Newfoundland coins I would not be asking for guidance. The only number I wanted was one printed on an ICCS ticket and that is what I have.

I don't care to be assaulted with your sarcasm again.
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And, of course, I thank everyone else who took the time to offer something constructive to this topic.
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TJ, I agree with F12 , and pay no mind to nicklesguy, hes been in a mood lately , usually a very nice fellow ... must be upset about Chicago winning the cup :))

You got a great coin no matter what the grade is...
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You have a great coin there no matter the grade.
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The US services have a real problem correctly grading Canada/NFLD coins. This sure looks like a strong VG 10 coin . Great piece to own!You will likely get more for it when you sell it in the NGC holder rather than cracking and submitting raw. ICCS is hard on these!
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