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Unidentified Asian Coins (Chinese? Veitnamese?)

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 Posted 07/08/2013  07:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello guys,
Again I received 12 Asian coins from a guy on ebay.
I hope you guys can help me with this one, though it would be a tiring thing to do.
(Please include link to the webpage that identifies each coin)
Thanks in advance!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091877....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091879....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091979....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091979....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129260786....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40051066722....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40051066722....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40051066723....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091873....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25129091878....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40051066716....m1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40051066791....m1497.l2649
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07/08/2013 07:12 am
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 Posted 07/08/2013  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This site is a good start to identified your cash coins..

http://www.sportstune.com/chinese/c.../idpage.html
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 Posted 07/08/2013  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How do I start, what do I look for?
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 Posted 07/08/2013  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Start with page "1" if no match page 2, etc.. Compare your coin with the drawings and you should find most of them.. I think it's better to try to find them by yourself.. I had also a small bag of Chinese Cash and after a few hours searching I found about 80% of the batch.. after a few you notice it get easier.. (I think it's also much more satisfactory to identified yourself..)
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 Posted 07/08/2013  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#1 is identical to your coin #4 in your earlier thread, only in worse condition.

#2 is similarly old, from the Song Dynasty emperor Ren Zong (ruled AD 1056-1064). Jia You tong bao regular script type, "small jia" variety (Hartill # 16.154). Similar to this one.

#3 is a very badly corroded late Qing Dynasty cash, Xian Feng tong bao (1851-1861). I can't read the mintmark, it's so badly corroded.

This highlights the problem with this seller; he's got some nice coins (like #2) but they're mixed up with some rather awful coins (like #1 and #3). The seller doesn't seem to know the difference; he doesn't even know which way is up most of the time. To buy coins from this fellow, you really ought to ID them before you buy; otherwise, you're just wasting your money more often than not.

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 Posted 07/08/2013  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thank you sap, such a great help!
I tried looking for one my of coins, it just seems I have no luck :(
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 Posted 07/08/2013  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some tips to help you work out Chinese coins.

1. Work out which way is up. As I said yesterday, this seller has a problem with this. After a while, you will get the feel for how Chinese characters are supposed to look, but until then, here's a general rule: we Westerners are taught that, when trying to figure out which way up a coin with Arabic script is supposed to be, imagine water falling "down" from the top of the coin, then hold it so that it "catches the most water" - all the bowl and cup-shaped letters should have their bowls facing upwards. For coins with Chinese script, it is the opposite: the letters should be like little Chinese houses, with the water hitting the roof and flowing off to the sides rather than being trapped inside in large pools. This picture might help illustrate this principle:
Unidentified-Asian-Coins-Chinese?-Veitnamese?

Alternatively, the character on the left side of Chinese coins is almost always the same character - "bao", meaning "coin" or "money". Almost every single cash coin produced since the AD 600s has this character in this position. Find the bao, and you'll know which way is up.

2. Working out a very approximate date
Using ID sites like zeno.ro or the site Sander linked to above doesn't help much if you have no idea when, in the 2000 year history of Chinese cash coins, your coin might have been made. You could randomly flip for hours, or start at one end and work through until you find it... but there are some shortcuts to help you narrow down your search.

First, what is on the reverse? If there are two squiggly, almost-Arabic-looking characters, this is Manchu script and your coin is Qing Dynasty, no earlier than the 1600s. If it is blank, then the coin is either Vietnamese or Ming Dynasty China or earlier - most likely Song Dynasty, since their coins are extremely common. If there are rainbow-shaped wavy lines, then the coin is Japanese. If it is a drawing or picture, then the coin is a charm and not an actual coin. If there are Chinese characters, then things gets complicated: the coin might be Vietnamese, or Korean, or Japanese, or Qing, or Taiping Rebellion, or any of several other possibilities.

Second, look at the script - the "font" used to draw the writing. "Classical" Chinese characters like on the coin I depicted above are used from the Tang Dynasty (AD 600) onwards, while the "seal script" seen on earlier coins disappears from the Yuan (Mongol) Dynasty; dynasties in between such as the Song issued coins using both scripts. Seal script is differentiated by the use of rounded and circular elements, rather than the "paintbrush" strokes of regular Chinese script. If the script looks neither Seal nor Regular, it's probably a Song Dynasty coin; they did lots of experimenting with different scripts.

Finally, size: as a very general rule, bigger coins are older coins. Certainly within a given Dynasty or even within the reign of a long-lived ruler, the larger coins are generally the older ones.
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 Posted 07/08/2013  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fabulous, SAP!
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 Posted 07/09/2013  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!
This is a great guide.
You should make a new thread for this :D
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