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Canada's new $20, $50, and $100 bills are made from thin plastic. It is regular currency, and it looks very interesting. Do you think the BEP should start printing our money with plastic instead of the weird linen we use? It would make counterfeiter's give up.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ewaste to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am up for anything as long as the BEP gets some nice looking notes. After showing a few non addicts collectors the old notes from the early 1900s and late 1800 they all seem to think the same thing...the currect notes suck!
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It would make counterfeiter's give up.


Believe me, "nothing" is going to ever make counterfeiters "give up". But I wish the government would stop worrying about counterfeiting, money laundering, drug trafficing, and electronic payments, and give us some $200, $500, and $1,000 bills already. Its an idea whose time has come, whether most people use cards or not.
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I agree with Fox.
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The trouble is, Australia owns the patents on plastic money. You'd either have to pay us royalties to use our technology, or invent your own. The "tyvek" notes ABNC invented back in the '80s were less than useful.

The other big negative is, of course, potential voter backlash. American politicians are already paranoid enough about losing votes in the areas where banknote cotton is grown and processed if they stop making $1 notes. If they stop buying cotton completely and switch to a petroleum-based substitute, they think they'll have both the farmers and the environmentalists mad at them.

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It would make counterfeiters give up.

It would make it much harder, but not so hard they would all "give up". This recent thread has a couple of fake Australian polymer notes. As you can see from the pics there, on "Australian-style" polymer notes, the clear plastic window is the hardest thing for forgers to replicate accurately.

And you can find more than one thread over in the Canadian section of the forum linking to articles about fake polymer notes there. Here's one.
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I always wondered why the U.S. never tried polymer notes. Too many special interests. I guess we will never see them here.
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Everything is counterfeit-able. No exceptions. :-)

For your enjoyment, here's a story about some fake Canadian $100 polymer notes that hit the market recently, and fooled a good many people:

http://fakes.numismetrica.com/2013/...-the-market/
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 Posted 07/14/2013  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ewaste to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know... why don't they just make coins instead of notes

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I don't see the US going over to polymer unless/until the Crane Company is involved.
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If they stop buying cotton completely and switch to a petroleum-based substitute, they think they'll have both the farmers and the environmentalists mad at them.


Not to mention, what will happen when we use up all the petroleum?
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Vietnam and Mexico use this technology as well and there is a lot of counterfeiting going on. It deters, but it doesn't make them give up, it just makes them smarter. UV strips have been counterfeited, so why not plastic? Even Canada has had a recent case of someone faking the new $100 bills.
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If they stop buying cotton completely and switch to a petroleum-based substitute, they think they'll have both the farmers and the environmentalists mad at them.

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Not to mention, what will happen when we use up all the petroleum?

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I don't see the US going over to polymer unless/until the Crane Company is involved.
More reasons to ditch our one dollar notes in favour of a one dollar coin.
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My question is ... What's the point? Theres going to be counterfiters no matter what, so why spend more money changing the system when there us no true benefit? (unless I'm missing something)
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There will always be counterfeiters. The problem is not to do away with counterfeiting entirely, but to discourage it, by making it more difficult & expensive (thus less rewarding), & to make counterfeits easier to detect (so that it's harder to get away with).

One important point is that any proposed security measure has to be actually used. In other words, a watermark (for example) is no good if people don't actually look at it ; likewise, microprinting & security threads are pretty much only of value if the note is already suspected, because nobody's going to take the trouble over them otherwise. The transparent window on the plastic notes is a pretty good measure of this kind, because it's easily checked & not easily imitated. To my way of thinking, though, high-quality single-colour intaglio printing on paper still has its advantages, & I think it was a major misstep to reduce the amount of fine-line work on the newer US currency.
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The experience of Australia with polymer banknotes has been OK. Fewer mylar banknotes are counterfeited, but it still happens occasionally. They last about five times as long as paper notes.
Australia was the first country in the World to use polymer banknotes.

I think the U.S. would be better off, if polymer banknotes were uses as well.

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And hey! Like those "pro"-dollar coin people say "Dollar coins are 100% recyclable" NOW the "pro"-$1 bill people can say that $1 bills are ALSO 100% recyclable!" so, no more shredded bills as waste in the landfills, as both coins and paper(err..plastic) bills could be recycled when they wear out. The polymer bills will last as long as the first print of each redesign and we will be printing and minting less bills and coins, the government saves money, people keep their $1 bills and everyone is happy.

I do believe that if we do go to polymer, that the $1 and $2 bills should be redesigned, each and every time the $5-100 (or hopefully they add $200 and $500 and possibly, $1,000 bills, and since they are redesigning the $2 bill next time around, $2-$1,000) and the government should really try to get $2 bills into circulation to save on even less polymer $1 bills needed, and of course, halves, to reduce the needs for as many quarters as they mint. Two $1 bills for each $2 bill, and two quarters for each half might not "seem" like much, but the savings ARE there, and if the government is trying to save money in any way they can, maybe they should scrap the dollar coin idea, go to polymer banknotes, and use the $2 bill and half extensively. I'm not saying that they should force $2 bills and halves on people like a threat or something, but bank and credit union tellers SHOULD be stocked with both denominations, and use them as needed, and most people probably would not oppose them, but as long as the banks, credit unions, stores and vending machines do not hand out/dispense them, people are not going to go out of their way to obtain them.

And one last thing we should do, if we are going to keep the cent, is reissue the 2-cent coin, to cut down on minting less one cent coins, thus saving the government even more money. (Hey, the Euro has a 2 cent coin in curculation, so, why can't the U.S.?) And we should upgrade ALL cash register drawers to have the 5 bill slots ($1, $2, $5, $10, $20/$50/$100, to make change for $100, $200, $500 and $1,000 bills in the fifth slot and $200 and $500 bills should go under the till to secretly be available to make change for $500 and $1,000 bills, and $1,000 bills should go directly in a safe, for security reasons) and six coin slots (1c, 2c, 5c, 10c, 25c, and 50c)

Then, no more debates of getting rid of the cent or paper err..plastic $1 bill, or the half, and circulate ALL of the denominations I mentioned, as needed. Then we can wait it out, with the only change to our currency sustem being "design" change, and NOT "denomination" change, until a cashless society comes to be (which I believe will NEVER come to be, but thats just me)
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