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What's A Fair Price For A 1911-S Half Eagle?

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I have the opportunity to purchase a 1911-S Indian Head Half Eagle from local dealer. His prices always seem fair, but I just wanted to check in with the members here before spending a large sum of money. The coin is raw and is a solid XF-40 with decent eye appeal.

The only unusual thing is that the mint mark seems very weak. I didn't really think much about it until I had the coin in hand, but on the Indian head quarters and halves, the mint mark is the only lettering on the coin that is raised. Does the mint mark wear more rapidly because of this? Is this common for this type of coin?

His price is $395 which is well below the PCGS price guide (and I do realize that the PCGS guide is probably inflated since it only applies to PCGS graded coins).

I know it's hard to form a good opinion without a picture but I'd appreciate any thoughts from the folks here about what you would pay for such a coin.

Thanks!
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 Posted 07/24/2013  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems like a very fair price if the coin has not been cleaned. I have seen weak mint marks on many of the Indian Head designed gold coins.
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 Posted 07/24/2013  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Fair price" is very subjective. Here is what others have considered as "fair", recently.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/5-Half-Eagl...11+s&_sop=15
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 Posted 07/24/2013  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As gold is soft, and the mint mark is raised and so close to the edge, I see a lot of these where the mint mark is barely discernible.
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Seems original, uncleaned coins on ebay are running north of $400 plus shipping. Being able to see the coin, pay cash and walk out with it is worth something to me. You also have a guarantee from a B&M that it is genuine or you get your money back. So yes, I think what your local guy is asking is fair.
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You also have a guarantee from a B&M that it is genuine or you get your money back.

What is a B&M? It makes a dealer give your money back if it's fake? How will anyone know if he sold it to you?
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B&M = Brick and Mortar Store = Coin Shop.
Coin stores selling fake coins could face legal action. I would assume you would get a receipt when buying, I always make sure I do.
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B&M = Brick & Mortar (shop). While there is no guarantee that a B&M would have to give you your money back, their reputation is very important to them, especially for keeping repeat customers like me. They don't want to get caught selling coins that are not as advertised (or worse yet, fake). Both the dealers I've worked with in my city are outstanding. One gave me my money back without hesitation when I suspected a coin may have been cleaned. The other is very good about pointing out anything that could cause a specimen to get a details grade--he's pointed out defects that I couldn't even see under magnification. Since I don't shop online and prefer to limit myself to B&Ms, I don't have much to choose from, but I feel pretty confident about all of my purchases. I'm learning quite a bit from my dealer and maybe after I get some more experience I'll delve into ebay a little.

Oh, and thanks for all the feedback from everyone so far, I'll keep you posted...
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A week ago a common XF $5 Indian was $340 at my dealer. With gold up 4% since then I'd expect that $350 is fair for a 1911-s with a weak mintmark.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Going rate at Heritage for slabbed XF's is well over $400; I'd call this one a fair deal if you like the coin's appeal. It's the second-most common Indian $5, though, and not going to be particularly liquid so buy it to keep.
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A fair price is one where you and the dealer can come to a mutually satisfying price. In that instance both of you are happy with the transaction and that dealer will have a customer who will come back again.

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 Posted 07/24/2013  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chetzler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SsuperDdave, I saw that this was a very common date which is why I found so many of the ebay listings in fioti's link entertaining: "scarce date", "rare", etc. I gather that this is par for the course on ebay! I am considering it primarily for my type set (already have an AU Indian head quarter eagle), but thanks for the note on liquidity because, although I'd purchase it for my collection, I have been know to upgrade some pieces if I come across nicer specimens.
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 Posted 07/26/2013  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john1942sept to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without seeing the actual coin, it is difficult to say, but based on what you're saying, it sounds fair.
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If you are confident that it is XF40, then for a certified/slabbed one:

PCGS retail = $580
NGC/numismedia retail = $444
numismedia wholesale = $370
other wholesale = $360

I tend to target the wholesale prices as they approximate grey sheet and that is what dealers use as a guideline.

It being raw ( and thus possibly cleaned or ungradable ) you might want to be even lower than wholesale into it.

$395 certainly isn't horrible given the ebay sales of raw ones and the wholesale range for slabbed. It isn't any great bargain though either. I'd certainly haggle it down if I were you! Most dealer's have at least some wiggle room built-in to their sticker price.

ebay sold coin history coupled with Heritage pricing guides ( where I found the above ) and auction history provide a pretty good idea for as good an approximation of most coins FMV as can be easily found - IMO and experience!

Others will say it is worth whatever you are willing to pay and other completely unhelpful YMMV nonsense! LOL
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Agreed. 1911-S in XF is a bullion coin. My dealer uses spot gold prices, plus a markup of $25-100 per coin that depends on grade but not on denomination or rarity. You're best off buying double eagles.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Thanks for all of the input, everyone. It has been very helpful. I think I'll pass on this for now and see if an AU specimen shows up in the shop. I'm sure one can be had for not much more money and it will be a nice match for the AU Indian Quarter Eagle I already have.
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