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Netherlands
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Hi guys, After a while, I bought another nice coin of an auction. Its a coin of Satraps of Carcia, 351-344 bc. 3,53gr - 9mm Its damaged a little but in my opinion still nice! The price was good so I took my chances.   Here is some extra info: Laureate head of Apollo, facing slightly right. [MAUSSWLLO], Zeus Labraundos standing right, holding labrys and spear. Reference: SGCV II 4957, SNG Kayhan 874 ff. Mausolus (Maussollos) is best known because his elaborate tomb, the Mausoleum, was one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient Edited by Dutchgulden
07/28/2013 2:46 pm
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United Kingdom
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Very nice - even with the bit of rubbing on the face you can tell the guys who made this had style !!
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United States
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I hate to be the one to cast doubt on this piece....
I suspect a fake....
There are several what looks like round casting 'pearls' behind Ba'al's buttocks.
The text does not look right and the the spelling is wrong. Maybe an imitation, but looks looks cast to me.
I am hoping others can give opinion on this specimen.
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Nate I suspect that you are correct, those do look like casting bubbles. I'm not an expert in this series but those bubble shouldn't be there in a real coin. I don't know where you are getting your coins, but I would be looking for another dealer we are seeing some very questionable coins lately.
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United States
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oh man, id don't know...i hope it's real. how's the edge look? like it has been filed or anything?
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United States
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The date is wrong for Mos. and this might actually be cast copy of Idrieus 351/0-d. 344/3. As the text eludes too.
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Australia
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Leaving aside the question of authenticity, I'm afraid your ID is wrong. Whatever the Greek inscription on the reverse is supposed to say, it does not say "MAUSSWLLO". The best match I can find for this coin amongst the Satraps of Caria is Hidrieus as Ancientnoob stated, whose coins read "IDRIEWS". Wildwinds page for Hidrieus. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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You are both right about the ID, sorry!
A cast copy of Numismatic lanz? They are professionals? Are you sure?
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07/29/2013 01:51 am
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Canada
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I know Lanz has dealt a couple tooled coins before but haven't heard of them selling any fakes. I think the ID may just be wrong
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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No thats why I cant believe its a fake! Anyone who still have an other opinion? I havent payed jet until I'm sure about this coin
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United States
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I don't know enough about this type to be 100%, but I do trust Nate's judgement this is his area of collecting. I have not bought from Lanz before, but keep in mind that some fakes are so good that even the experts can be fooled.
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Text on the coins of this ruler tend to look a little off and the letters are sometimes a wee crooked, so even though the text looks a little weird, I wouldn't discredit the coin for that fact alone, what sealed it for me was the overall muteness of design and of course....  ...and...  Echizento is correct- even true professional experts can be fooled and they can look at such a large volume of coins, that such things can slip buy. I did find the listing from Lanz, and the coin seems to be described correctly, so I am not sure how you got Mossoulus from this...strange.. Although I must say that at least based on the photos the proof is in the pudding... these formations should not be there... I am sure something like this would slip past most, many such things have slipped past me and I have been wrong in the past but here I think its quite definitive. |
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Ive already send an email to Lanz to recheck te coin on those 'bubbles' I will keep you all updated of the status. "the description was correct of lanz: AR Drachm ( 3,53 g. - 9 mm). Vs: Head of Apollo facing slightly right, wearing laurel wreath, drapery at neck. Rs: Ι- "ΡΙΕΩΣ, Zeus Labraundos standing right. Traité II 102; SNG Keckman 278; SNG Copenhagen -; BMC -; SNG Kayhan 883 Scratches, Very Fine I copied the wrong description of coinproject, mistake of copy paste.. * Are the 'bubbles not the same as those on a genuine one?  Edited by Dutchgulden
07/29/2013 3:53 pm
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... No there are no casting bubbles I genuine coins...
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 still got my fingers crossed for you DG. |
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Netherlands
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I think I can be sure its genuine.
Ive received 2 individual opionions.
the first came of Numismatic Lanz. Sir Lanz look a second look on it and his employe told me he is sure its a genuine coin.
In his opinion the small spots are errors in the stamp itself and no bubbles of casting. If I didnt like the coin after I will receive it, I could always send it back.
the second opinion came of a well respected member of a dutch forum who immediately said it should came of an error of the stamp, maybe rusted.
He even had experience with it on a coin of him. He told me that the coin had the same spots and all experts who saw the coin in hand agreed it was genuine!
Thats why I have confidence this one isn't a fake, of a good coin dealer on who I think I can trust on.
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07/30/2013 11:21 am
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