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1943 (Re-Strike I) Penny And 1934 Penny. Help

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 Posted 08/01/2013  07:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nick01 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am not sure as to whether or not these two coins have been cleaned or are just 'Gem' (maybe even proof?) as you can see literally every small detail on each coin with minor, minor toning.



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I have an 'Uncirculated' 1964 Penny at home already, but the colouring on this coin seems a little bit 'denser'. I can't really explain it. Just seems different.

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 Posted 08/01/2013  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They have all been very harshly cleaned. They all have wear also.
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How can you tell if they're cleaned? I just need to know for when purchasing coins in the near future :)
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 Posted 08/01/2013  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The colour isn't natural, copper should be an orange and as it tones it becomes brown (but a deep brown), your coins are a golden/light brown colour and look like they have had a bath in lemon juice.
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All of my Indian pennies look very well "struck", and it seems to be a distinguishing feature, when comparing with the Melb or Perth pennies. Well, that, and the very fearsome looking roo.
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The Indian pennies always look well struck, the Perth and Melb pennies (even in high grade and from fresh dies) don't as the dies are different plus Perth and Melb dialed back on the striking pressure to extend die life during the war.
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 Posted 08/02/2013  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Nealeffendi


One quick question..Did the Indian roo have a different designer?
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Yes, the Indian roo Master dies were prepared in India (and the obverse dies as well). According to Bill Mullett (a Melbourne mint official), dies were sent from Melbourne (By Bill himself IIRC) but there was some problems with the dies (rust?) so the Indians (or the British, it was a branch of The Royal Mint in the Empire) made new dies. I don't even think they told the Aussies so it was probably a surprise when they turned up.
I think they first came to Sydney. The missing I version was known to collectors about at around the same time as the 1930 penny and was regarded as rarer at the time (1945).
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Thanks, Mate, very insightful.
Now I have a John Cleese skit running around inside my head.

"look, Jones, it's about this penny of yours...It's very emeimic don't you think?"
"Give it a proper British arm, there's a good chap"
"oh, and Jones.......the handlebars and sideburns..they'll have to go"
etc,ect needs a bit of work!
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