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Here's an Austrian 20 kreuzer showing (Austria KM#2030). This is a posthumous issue of Franz I, who was married to the famous empress Maria Theresia. Despite the date 1765, the coin was issued in 1770 by the Kremnitz Mint in Hungary. The letters EvM and D stand for the Kremnitz Mint officials Ignaz Krammer Edler von Munzburg and P. Joseph von Damiani. Those letters were used from 1767 to 1772. The B under the effigy is the mintmark of Kremnitz, the E under the effigy is the mark of the real year this coin had been minted: 1770. Take Care Ben  |
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I have been looking at the posted picture and comparing it with reference photos in catalogs. Perhaps I am just too suspicious, but has the reduction of the photo to fit the format of the forum caused distortion in the picture itself? The coin has an "incorrect" look to it.
This coin (provided the picture is an accurate representation) has all the earmarks of a Modern Eastern European copy. The die making technique seems a bit too crude for me to believe it is real. I can not recall a coin of this period where the denomination would interrupt the outline of the frieze on the pedistal. I also think the details on the double headed eagle are simply deficient. It looks like a copy made by engraving from a projection on a plate. There is no "life" in the engraving. It looks like a line drawing. Also the individual letters appear to be engraved and not punched into the die as they should be.
Have you weighed the coin and done a specific gravity? What does the edge look like up close?
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here is mine for comparison hope it helps Image Insert: Image Insert: Edited by scoutjim99
05/31/2007 10:16 pm
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maybe this photo will be better Image:  911362[1].jpg44.36 KB Image Insert: |
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Jim - Yours looks far better to me than the first one. Compare the appearance of the leaves - on yours they appear to punched into the die while on the first coin they look like outline engravings - no depth to the leaves. The lettering on both coins does appear crude, but yours looks like punches were in fact used. The letter shapes (e.g. the E's) are very similar. There are problems with letter placements and some overcutting, but there are no great disparities in letter shapes. I have only a half dozen or so real coins from the period mostly Maria Theresa minors in copper, but those were produced from punched dies.
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As Scout knows the edge is unmilled and unlettered, just a simple edge. The weight is 6.6 grams, but my scale only goes to 1/10 of a gram so it probably weighs just a tad more. The diameter looks to be 29.5mm. I'm just using a handheld ruler though. I would like to recommend http://www.vcoins.com as a great site where coins like this can be picked up with no worries as to whether or not they are genuine.   |
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i would be willing to send Bob or you, my coin for further examination, if that would help.
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Naw, no need. I was just showing off a semi-recent purchase. Not bad for under $15.00... :-)
Take Care
Ben
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very nice coin Bonedigger and thanks for the info
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The price of $15 is a good price for a counterfeit as well as an original. In most cases, the counterfeits are not really a BAD investment as most counterfeits are of similar value - provided they are not too common. The exception are the modern Chinese copies which are made in huge numbers. But hand engraved dies are always interesting.
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The Coin I posted is NOT a counterfeit.
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Posted 05/31/2007 10:11 pm
