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1979 P SBA Wide Rim, Bag Mark Or Strike Through?

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 Posted 08/04/2013  2:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

A while ago I bought a roll of 1979P Susan B Anthony Wide Rims. It turns out to have been a great investment.

In addition to a few Gems there was this, which to me, looks like a staple got into the mix across the bridge of the nose just under the eyes. The first thing that crossed my mind was how much the marks looked like a closed staple.

These are the best pictures I have, it is in a 2x2 mylar. Is this wishful thinking on my part or are those bag marks?

I'd like to hear what others have to say.

Thanks/

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 Posted 08/04/2013  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BenjaminsBaby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks to be well placed bag marks but ya it does look like a staple ha
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 Posted 08/05/2013  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a near date.
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 Posted 08/05/2013  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BenjaminsBaby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow didnt even catch that one coop....you got a good eye
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 Posted 08/05/2013  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The terms "Wide Rim" and "Near Date" are interchangeable when it comes to these and they are sometimes referred to as "Wide Rim/Near Date"

I am interested in opinions as to the nature of the marks beneath the eyes. They really look like a closed staple to me, which if somehow confirmed would make this an even more valuable coin. Now since I own it, of course it's a more valuable strike through.... LOL

I'm considering sending it out for grading and want to see what others think before I do so asking PCGS or NGC for a Strike Through attribution.
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 Posted 08/05/2013  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen wide rim on normal die coins. It is the location of the date that is key. So I would disagree with them being interchangeable.
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 Posted 08/05/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ coop, the rims were widened specifically to try to distinguish the SBA from the quarter, the more common name is indeed "Wide Rim." The rim is closer to the date because it was widened.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/D...9571?redir=t
http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page29.html
http://www.ngccoin.com/NGCCoinExplo...oinID=818526
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 Posted 08/05/2013  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen example of the 1979-P that have the wide rims and the location the date is not a near date. Thus the term near date as the collectables. The wide rim is not an indicator of the near dates. (You know I didn't save the images posted here before... 8(
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 Posted 08/06/2013  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always just thought that it was a matter
of being the incorrect planchet for that year.
That some 1980 dies were made up with 79 dates.
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 Posted 08/06/2013  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The hubbing placed the location of the near date closer to the beveling on the rim.

The planchets size and weight didn't change. They follow mint guide lines so they could be used in vending machines.

Added: Wider rim makes the date appear closer to the rim.
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08/06/2013 4:20 pm
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 Posted 08/06/2013  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to clarify the misinformation being spread in this topic:

Susan B. Anthony dollar Die Varieties

1979-P Narrow and Wide Border: This highly collectible variety is noted by the distance between the rim and peripheral design elements, most prominently between the date and rim. Because of this, this variety is sometimes refered to as "Far Date" and "Near Date". This is actually inaccurate as the date was not moved, but instead the border was widened. They are also often refered to as "Narrow Rim" and "Wide Rim". The Mint began striking the 1979-P SBA Dollars with the "narrow border". Late in 1979 the border was widened to give the coin a more aesthetic appearance. The "narrow border" variety is found on all 1979 dollars from all of the mints. The 1979 "wide border" variety can only be found on the "P" mint issues. The "wide border" variety was used for the remainder of the series.

The mint did not keep accurate records on how many of each variety were struck. According to information provided by George E. Hunter, the Assistant Director of Technology for the U.S. Mint at the time, there were 643 "wide border" dies used at the Philadelphia Mint in 1979. It is estimated that there are approximately 250,000 strikes per die. Using this estimate the Mint would have produced approximately 160,750,000 1979-P "Wide Border" Susan B. Anthony dollars, or nearly 45% of all 1979-P Anthony Dollars minted. However, since the Mint has released their entire production of Anthony Dollars, it does not appear that the "Wide Border" variety makes up nearly half of the 1979-P production. While not rare, or even scarce, the "Wide Border" variety is somewhat elusive, especially in high grades (Mint State 66 and above). We may never know exactly how many were struck.

Source: http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page29.html

Also, the topic has nothing to do with the Susan B Anthony Wide Rim/Near Date variety but rather what people think is the source of the two marks on the face just below the eyes.

So now that the confusion has been cleared-up can we discuss the topic at hand?
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Thanks David. That clears things up. The images I saw posted one time could have been the other mints images or eve a wide rim example. But the OP coin is a wide border example.
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Wow you bought an entire roll of near dates ? That had to be spendy.
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 Posted 08/06/2013  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ 52Raymo, it was actually 28 coins from bank rolls on an ebay auction, it was the best $82 I have ever spent on coins. I've gotten as much as $65 for a single coin on ebay for uncertified, not to mention a few BU Gems for my collection.
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 Posted 08/06/2013  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent buy !

I had to look and look till I finally got one on ebay for seven bucks. I was happy with that price.
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 Posted 08/06/2013  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidFNYC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ 52 Raymo, nice catch!
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