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Followup To 1879-CC VAM3 Post (1) More Pic And Couple ?

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 Posted 09/01/2013  2:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coffeecup57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Tried to edit OP,no go.
Did a little more research and found a website called Vamworld.
Do any of the forum members contribute photos to this site?If so WOW!
Is this the die gouge being referenced in OP?Due to wear,I can only make out the one by wing.
Couldn't make out anything on obverse.
From what I read are the die gouges what sets this apart from a VAM3?
Does PCGS recognize this new VAM?
Followup-To-1879-CC-VAM3--Post-1-More-Pic-And-Couple-?

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 Posted 09/01/2013  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAMworld is Ground Zero for VAMming - the central repository of VAM information and discussion. Pretty much all new research and discoveries are presented at VAMworld first, and it's the archive for VAM information. Many CCF VAMmers are also members and contributors there, myself included, and more than a few have joined here after already being members there.

I can see what's left of the gouge under AM in your coin, as well as the one on the wing - yours is a pretty worn example, and a late die state, so they won't be as strong as they're shown on the VAMworld page. 3A is the LDS (Late Die State) version of VAM-3, most clearly evidenced by the complete fill yours shows of the G in God. Understanding a die is a negative of the coin struck, the metal forming the center of the G has simply broken off due to excessive use, leaving the center on the coin filled with metal.

PCGS does not attribute very many VAMs - it's a point of irritation to many VAMmers. They will only attribute VAM-3, not 3A (and to illustrate, that's the only 1879-CC VAM they'll attribute). When it comes to slabbing attributed VAMs, you've only two top-tier choices:

1) ANACS. John Roberts, ANACS' Director of Attribution Services, is one of the greatest living VAM experts. ANACS attributes every single VAM; heck, when a new Discovery comes out, John is likely the one to get the Discovery Coin to slab it.

2) John Baumgart's Variety Slabbing Service, VSS (varslab.com). John is another top-tier VAMmer and attributor; he attributes and encapsulates raw Morgans (he does not grade) in his own slabs. Whatever variety he says your coin is, it is.

Let's not even talk about NGC. Their Research Director, David Lange, called VAMmers "weenies" in a published review earlier this year; NGC attributes a limited subset of VAMs (with graphically-varying degrees of success) and does not even guarantee the attribution.
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 Posted 09/01/2013  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent photo coffeecup57. Those are the markers I was looking for in you OP. As SsuperDdave stated, even the gouge between the A and M is just barely evident. If you plan to keep this Morgan but want to get the VAM on the label, I would suggest VSS. If you are planning to sell it, ANACS may be the better choice just to get the grade on the label, also. Oh, and welcome to VAMming, you have been assimilated.
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Thanks for all the great info.I now have the VAMworld website book marked.

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PCGS does not attribute very many VAMs - it's a point of irritation to many VAMmers. They will only attribute VAM-3, not 3A (and to illustrate, that's the only 1879-CC VAM they'll attribute). When it comes to slabbing attributed VAMs, you've only two top-tier choices:

Shame about PCGS was getting submission ready to send in and would like to have sent this with it.


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If you plan to keep this Morgan but want to get the VAM on the label, I would suggest VSS. If you are planning to sell it, ANACS may be the better choice just to get the grade on the label

As I rarely sell anything,I may still go with ANACS,to make it easier on the kids or grandkids to liquidate when the time comes.

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