Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
300,000 items to help build your collection! Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Recently Purchased A 2011 ASE DD Error, Have Authenticity ?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 24 / Views: 3,314Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/02/2013  04:10 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As the title says I bought a 2011 American Silver Eagle DD date error coin on ebay yesterday

Before I purchased the coin I asked the seller about weight and he said it was 31.19 grams... I didn't pay a whole bunch for the coin (less than $80) but its still hurtful to get something that isn't what you expected...

I was wondering if anyone knows of any "real" DD date errors? I've seen stories of fakes but not any slabbed or confirmed coins..
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 09/02/2013  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Here is a link to these doubled dies:
http://www.varietyvista.com/2011PDD...20dollar.htm
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/02/2013  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link .. it will come in handy when I can compare the coin to the pictures. ...PEACE...
Pillar of the Community
United States
601 Posts
 Posted 09/02/2013  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What makes you think it's not as described? What were you expecting?

These are the specs on a US Silver Eagle, it's almost precisely the same weight (the difference is less than a couple of grains of sand and well within mint tolerance.)

http://www.usmint.gov/downloads/min...LVREAGLE.pdf

The doubled die is a well known one, have you taken the time to look at images of what the doubled die is supposed to look like? Before purchasing?
Edited by liveandievarieties
09/02/2013 10:52 pm
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/04/2013  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never found anything on a 2011 DD that didn't pertain to the DD being fake.... I understand they have variations on weight... one of the reasons I joined was to gain knowledge about the coin... the reason I question it is because looking at a closeup of the chin seemed "bearded"... that was one of the indications I read about of a fake coin... but since I learned about the page from coop, I feel better about the purchase and am excited to get it in hand... Ill post pics as soon as I have it...
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
honestly, I never saw the "real" DDO from the website until after I purchased the coin...

here's the number to the auction on ebay.. 360722303932

I notice the 0 in 2011 doesn't have the same egg shape from the DD...

I hope it is a DDO.... fingers crossed..
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Machine Doubling on the date from the image.
Valued Member
JJHFL's Avatar
United States
395 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to say, that does NOT look like the official DDO, but as Coop said MD (which a lot of people on ebay have been recently passing off as the DDO). Sorry :(
Valued Member
JJHFL's Avatar
United States
395 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And to add, I just looked at the ebay ad and they never said anything about being the DDO, simply "Date Doubling" which he likely knows very well he is referring to Machine Doubling. A little misleading obviously, but not inaccurate. (i.e. you could attempt to return for refund, but he could stand by his ad without much of an issue.)
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This may be a stupid question but what's the difference?
Valued Member
JJHFL's Avatar
United States
395 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From The CCF Glossary:

double(d) die
A die that has been struck more than once by a hub in misaligned positions, resulting in doubling of design elements. Before the introduction of hubbing, the individual elements of a coin's design were either engraved or punched into the die, so any doubling was limited to a specific element. With hubbed dies, multiple impressions are needed from the hub to make a single die with adequate detail. When shifting occurs in the alignment between the hub and the die, the die ends up with some of its features doubled - then imparts this doubling to every coin it strikes. The coins struck from such dies are called doubled-die errors - the most famous being the 1955 Doubled Die Lincoln Cent. PCGS uses doubled die as the designation.

From Google:
In mechanical, or Machine Doubling, the doubled image results from mechanical issues during the striking of the coin, such as the coin shifting during striking, or the die itself being jarred out of position as a result of vibration or improper coin press maintenance. Mechanical, machine, and Strike Doubling are all considered by purists to be forms of damage, and are therefore not collectible as an error coin.
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
is this Machine Doubling considered a error in any way?
Bedrock of the Community
biokemist6's Avatar
United States
12437 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Machine Doubling is exceedingly common and not considered to be an error.
Valued Member
JJHFL's Avatar
United States
395 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MD versus DD use to get me all the time... Still does once in awhile to this day. So dont feel that was a stupid question at all. Yes, I believe MD is technically considered an error, however it is not an error that adds a premium value to a coin.
Valued Member
Stylez's Avatar
United States
131 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you biokemist6.... so that leaves me with two options, I can take the 76 dollar loss and leave crappy feedback or I could get my money back because the item is not as described... hmmmm what to do what to do?....
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 09/06/2013  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is often referred to as damage. Not as bad on this coin as I've seen on others. He had another auction I asked a question on.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-S-ERRO...em53fd15d3ac
  Previous TopicReplies: 24 / Views: 3,314Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.33 seconds to rattle this change. Forums