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 Posted 09/10/2013  12:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add anthony giani to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all-
I'm new to this site and new to collecting in general- coins that is. I hope that I'm putting this topic in the right area- mods feel free to alert me and move it if I'm in the wrong place. My question is, how do you all feel about buying coins off of the internet like from ebay? I'm very concerned about counterfeiting but seem to feel that I can do reasonably well with my purchases on the bay. I should let you know I only collect certified coins. So what do you guys think?
Thanks for listening and for any responses!
Regards,
AG
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 Posted 09/10/2013  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here in the UK coin shops are few and far between. There aren't even many active coin clubs or societies near me, so all my collecting has been done on the internet.

Initially, like most, I used ebay. I found some rarities, got over-enthusiastic (like most beginners) and paid way over the odds for some coins and made a couple of contacts through purchases.

Over the years I've increasingly used online dealers and auctions as my wants have become more specific and I've become more demanding about condition.

So IMHO, the internet is wonderful! However, as with anything (even buying face to face with a dealer) knowing your coins is essential.

Increasingly not only fake coins, but fake slabs, are coming on the market so if you're aiming to spend some serious money I think it's always worth getting a second opinion from somewhere like this. There are those here who have been collecting for decades and have a wealth of experience. And as far as I can tell, are happy to help newcomers.

In the end we all make mistakes (it's part of learning about the hobby) whether it's paying more than a coin is worth or thinking it's rarer than it is. So long as you only spend money you can afford on the hobby and only do it while it is fun, you'll be fine. If you tire or find yourself overspending, take a break. The coins and the hobby will still be here when/if you feel like a return. As will those prepared to offer advice, just from the love of the hobby.
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 Posted 09/10/2013  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I make quite a few purchases via ebay and probably the best advice is be knowledgeable about the coin you are bidding on and buying. A combination of that and buying from reputible sellers should keep you away from counterfeits. The truly best advice I can give for someone new (since it hasnt been that long since I was new myself) is know the value of what you are looking at. Use more than one source to determine value. You are probably at more risk of overpaying for something than unexpectedly getting a counterfeit.
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 Posted 09/10/2013  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add anthony giani to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice guys!
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 Posted 09/10/2013  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add airpilot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also only collect certified coins and I buy most from dealers that I have got to know fairly well. I have never used ebay myself, I would be cautious simply because you just do not know who you are buying from most of the time !! I guess maybe there are some sellers on ebay who are well known are respected in the Coin World ? - you just need to be careful.
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 Posted 09/10/2013  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add anthony giani to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks pilot.
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 Posted 09/10/2013  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyJames to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The internet is a great place to buy and sell coins. The vast vast majority of online dealers and ebay sellers are honest people, and most coins are not counterfeited. With that being said, there are enough scam artists, dishonest people, and fakes for you to have a healthy fear. I collect non-US coins so the internet is really the best, most consistent source of coins for me.

ebay has more good coins being sold on a weekly basis than any other outlet. ebay also has more bad, junk coins being sold on a weekly basis than any other outlet. With practice you will learn to detect issues with coins from looking at pictures. You will develop a list of sellers that you like, and you will be able to be more focused and effective.

My personal advice to a new person would be to start with cheap coins and take your time. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone's taste changes from when they first start until they become more experienced. And always comparison shop. Lots of ebay coins are overpriced and can be had from reputable dealers' websites for less. If you want to buy a coin and haven't seen many others like it sell, then make yourself provide the burden of proof that the coin is worth xxx based on type, condition, etc. Don't just go by Red Book or the krause manual.
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 Posted 09/10/2013  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the OP: why only certified coins?

I've had mixed results with ebay. I'd say stay away from low quality, low resolution photos, but that eliminates 80%-90% of what is on ebay! hahah
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 Posted 09/10/2013  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add anthony giani to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jimmy and Baba.
Why certified, well its kind of an OCD thing with me to have them nicely packaged. Not really any other reason to be honest. However, if I found a good raw coin that looked real and I needed it for my collection I wouldnt hesitate to pick it up and have it certified myself. But, a slabbed coin will also almost surely represent a non-counterfeit coin to begin with so I guess my reason is really twofold.
Thanks again everyone!
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 Posted 09/10/2013  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
But, a slabbed coin will also almost surely represent a non-counterfeit coin to begin with


Peek at this thread (not to put any more fear in you than you already have)

https://goccf.com/t/157580
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 Posted 09/10/2013  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add anthony giani to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks JJ- very interesting....
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 Posted 09/10/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ive actually gotten the bulk of my coins from ebay. There are fakes there and some scammers but its kind of over blown in my opinion. Most of the coins are what they say they are and just staying away from things too good to be true or Chinese sellers can eliminate a good amount of fakes. Theres 100s of thousands of coins on there and its a pretty huge market now. Everyone will point out fakes but generally never mentions the good stuff since they dont want to create competition for themselves.

Ive also found its generally hard to find better prices than ebay if youre patient or in the summer when not as many people are looking. The other good thing about ebay though is if its fake you get your money back.

That said, know what youre buying. Use the completed listings and numismedia for general price ranges. If its a new series to you scan over all the graded listings and as you see more and more you can pick up on what to look for. Theres a lot of reputable sellers on there including some huge names in coins. Its hard to question the reputation of a David Lawrence and they sell on ebay (sometimes you can get better prices on their site though).

Im very pro ebay and online buying from good sources. It greatly expands whats available to you that your local store may or may not have and gives you a lot of different options. I like local stores as well if theyre a good one, not everyone is but only a national coin store and compete with the selection available online.

Another thing you can do is make a test purchase or ask about a seller. Generally though with ebay being very buyer friendly at worst youll be out the shipping charges.
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 Posted 09/10/2013  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add anthony giani to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appreciate the response basebal- would hate to have to lose out on such a good source such as the bay with there thousands of listings due to a few shady characters!
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Best of luck with with your searches Anthony. If you ever have any questions about anything or anyone feel free to ask. The Auctions forum has some good stuff in there that mainly focuses on ebay as well
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