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 Posted 06/09/2007  01:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It's one of those you see once in a while. Ordinarily I don't trust them.

But.. the coin itself looks stunning.

I definately am not going to trust their grading standards, but are they reliable for authenticity and a coin being problem free?

I'm considering bidding on this 09-s VDB. The coin itself (from the pictures) is one of the best I've ever seen. The seller has meh feedback, but all 4 of his negatives were as a buyer, not a seller. If the coin stacks up to its pictures, I'll probably get far outbid anyway. But it doesn't hurt to try.

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 Posted 06/09/2007  01:42 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I doubt the coin was ever cleaned because there is a nice big fingerprint on it.

MS66 is actually quite laughable. This coin was slabbed in someone's basement just like every other TPG that isn't in the Big 4. If you were really interested in this coin I wouldn't bid anythin over an XF priceing IMHO.

And I don't know about you guys but I don't have that many
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 Posted 06/09/2007  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not worth the effort, Trooper. Search this forum for information on NNC - there's plenty. No, they are not reliable for much of anything.

I am really put off by what seems to be wear on the obverse, which doesn't match the reverse. Of course, even if MS there's no way that coin sees MS66 from any reputable TPG.
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 Posted 06/10/2007  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add One Red Cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not impressed with the NNC Wheaties I've bought. I've never gotten ripped off, because I NEVER expect these coins to meet the stated grades. I bought a 1942 D and a 42 S on ebay for just under $20 postpaid. Both are graded as MS66. I think both reverses deserve the grade, but both obverses look like only MS65 to me. A small difference that results in a big swing in values. Both of the coins I bought can only be called MS65, but the funny part is that I got a pretty good deal on them. Probably because others expected the NNC coins to be MS64 or less. If the guy had kept these out of the NNC slab and advertised them as the legitimate MS65's that they are, then he might have gotten a little more than he got from me.
Unfortunately, he probably gets far more people that pay the MS66 price for coins that don't deserve the grade.
I also bought a 1949 S Wheatie that was slabbed by NNC as MS67. I graded that one as MS 65 on the reverse, and MS64 AT BEST, on the obverse. I paid $10 postpaid for that one, and it's worth less than I paid.
As for the 1909 S VDB you're watching, it's up to $1500 or so now, but if it were a legitmate MS66, it should go for $7500 or so. If I had a coin that important for sale, I'd take plenty of high quality photos using different angles and lighting just to prove that the coin deserves the grade, so that I would get the proper price.
I wouldn't trust his photos.
Right now the coin is priced legitimately for a MS64 Red/Brown. Without better photos, I wouldn't trust it to grade any higher than that.
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 Posted 06/11/2007  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice. I let this one slide, even though the pictures looked great. On something like this I need to be sure. Plus it looks like there is a major flaw on the obverse, right after the T in TRUST.
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