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Philosophy Of Cleaning

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 Posted 09/13/2013  10:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add phxcosmo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've seen lots of posts with people arguing about cleaning, but my question is a bit more general. I understand the reason for not using Brasso, acid dips, etc. for cleaning due to the unnatural wear that results, but I also see people suggesting avoiding use of tap water, not rubbing with a cloth, and other pretty restrictive ideas. So now my question - if an old coin of average condition is stained or dirty and I rub it with a cloth or between my fingers, how is that any different than how it was treated in circulation for 10,20, or 50 years? Coins were minted to be handled, so what is the reason behind so much sensitivity to handling them now? Again, I'm not talking about a $5000 quarter or a gorgeous untouched silver dollars, but tarnished and stained old G and VG coins. Thanks
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Coins were minted to be handled, so what is the reason behind so much sensitivity to handling them now?


Part of the draw to coins is the history they represent. In a lot of ways a cleaning is removing part of that history. I do agree it can be taken a bit too extreme as theres no real harm in handling a ag barber half for example, but for the most part its better to just leave them alone and let the history of it speak.

If there was actual crud on the surface of a circulated coin I'm less opposed to removing it than some, but I would leave stains alone. If the coins only worth its metal content you cant really do anything to hurt the value, but it will take a 100 more years of history to replace the 100 years that was just washed off it.

The other thing to consider is what the coin will look like after you remove something. While verdigras on coins is by no means desirable, if its allowed to fester for a long time it is more attractive than the pitted surfaces it would leave removing it.
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Sometimes, I get an old copper world coin, and toss it in the loose bag with my other purchases.

A short walk later -- and some of the brown has come off, revealing fresh orange underneath! Now it looks ridiculous.

Be cautious of exposing new surfaces along with very old ones, because the only possible explanation is mishandling of an old coin.
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The basis for my question is that a big portion of my collection got soaked in a flood and by the time I got around to peeling them out of the musty folders and sleeves, most of the silver is tarnished and the pennies are all much darker than they had been. The value of this part of my collection is pretty small, but they are all of the wheats and silver quarters and dimes I accumulated as a kid. So any cleaning I would do would be to get them back to 1965 or 1970 condition and just eliminate the recent unfortunate history.
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The basis for my question is that a big portion of my collection got soaked in a flood and by the time I got around to peeling them out


I would view that more as a restoration project then cleaning. Getting the gunk off them and probably soaking them in clean water would be a positive as opposed to letting them deteriorate from the flood damage imo
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^ I agree, more of trying to restore at this point.
You could try acetone too.
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Cleaning mud, literal mud, off flood-damaged coins is perfectly OK. If the mud has been sitting on the coins too long and reacted with the metal, causing tarnish, then you've got two choices: leave it alone, or give it a dip in tarnish remover. Either way, your coin has lost value and it will be impossible to restore that value, since the damage has been done. Try to avoid polishing cloths, or other treatments that give a coin an un-natural "cleaned" look.

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...avoiding use of tap water...

Tap water contains chlorine, and chlorine can cause "bronze disease" on copper coins. If you're soaking coins for a long time to remove mud etc then use distilled or deionized, or at least boiled, water to remove the chlorine.

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...not rubbing with a cloth...

Just like "Don't clean coins", this is a generalized statement aimed at beginners, to avoid having to ask and answer a whole bunch of ancillary questions. What kind of cloth? One of those fluffy soft microfibre things, or a piece of denim torn off some old jeans? You want to avoid anything that can cause unnecessary abrasion of the metal. "Polishing cloths" actually have grit embedded in the cloth to do the polishing; it's like sandpaper. You don't want that happening to your coins! Second, what, exactly, are you trying to rub off? If it's literal mud, that could have all kind of sand grains etc in it; rub away on a muddy coin and all those little grains will scour tracks in the coin's surface. If, on the other hand, it's something like PVC goo, you won't have the sand abrasion problem - but if you're not careful, all rubbing will do is spread the PVC goo all over the coin's surface, causing even more headaches later.
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