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I Need Help Seeing If These Are Real, 17-1800-S Coins

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 Posted 09/20/2013  11:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These seem way too crisp and clean for coins of their era. They are from a guy I was doing some dealings with and he wants me to help him sell them. I told him I doubt they are real, but I don't know. This video is the best I could do without taking the coins out and everything.

Sorry I didn't focus well, but let me know if there are any red flags. If there aren't, I'll have a more knowledgable friend of mine take a closer look sometime.

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 Posted 09/21/2013  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rking007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While I have no experience in saying yes or no to these coins I really would like to see them as photographs if possible. Out of the bags they are in. I think if anyone is going to be able to help they will need at least that much.

I'm super curious to see them though and what everyone else here has to say about them!
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 Posted 09/21/2013  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stylez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what are the dates and denominations on these coins... that 1796 looks super nice and I would be interest in knowing how much he wants for it if they are real.... thanks PEACE...
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 Posted 09/21/2013  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CSOTUS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a caliper and scale? Measure them and weigh them, see if they are within spec, also try a super powerful magnet and see if they are made of an alloy.
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 Posted 09/21/2013  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's tough to make a call from glimpses of coins in ziploc bags. It would be much easier to make that call from photographs. The 1796 Bust Dollar must be assumed fake until proven different and the same goes for the Trade dollar. The 1834 Half sure looks like a fake from the surface appearance and the huge stars. Given this, I would assume they are all fake until proven genuine by comparison to known authentic coins and passing the weight test and even the tissue test.

A quick and easy test is the ring test. Silver will sound different from cast counterfeits.
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09/21/2013 07:30 am
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 Posted 09/21/2013  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty sure they are silver. I'll try and get better photos to bring.

Ok, so I want diameter, weight, composition by tissue test, good pics.

Anything more? I may stop by today and try and get these.
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 Posted 09/21/2013  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Impossible to give a definitive answer based on the video. Having said that they look fake to me.
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Agreed. One of my pet-peeves is coins shown via video. To try & determine authenticity, I generally focus on one detail of the piece, only to have it moved. Stills, please.
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 Posted 09/21/2013  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slowaltima to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its tough to call, but that 1796 does not look real to me. The 1834 has the appearance of being fake. The Trade dollar looks real enough but the 1869, I'm assuming thats a Seated Liberty dollar, doesn't look right to me. The date on the Barber doesn't look right to me.

We will need better pictures of the coins overall to really make a determination. Unless Steve Caruso can chime in with his knowledge of fakes and determine if he has seen these before.
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 Posted 09/22/2013  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I made a Google plus post with pics of all the coins. I hope this works!


https://plus.google.com/10606271146.../StNSRftPC1B
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 Posted 09/22/2013  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So far, one confirmed fake by weight...
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 Posted 09/23/2013  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just ran through the pictures. It is difficult to tell you spacific coins are fake because you didn't label each picture with what they were, and I don't know what coins you have. But here are a few observations

Pic 2 the 1844 is fake
the 1796 dollar is fake
picture 7 is fake
the 1893 whatever, pic 10 is fake
the Seated dollar in pic 11 is fake
pic 13 is probably fake
pic 14 the cc Trade dollar is fake
pic 16 the 1834 half is fake
pict 19 the 1869 (dollar?) is fake
pic 21 1878 seated whatever is fake
pic 22 Seated dollar is most likely fake
pic 23 1874 Trade dollar is fake
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 Posted 09/23/2013  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just reordered the pictures. Now the order is obverse, reverse, diameter measurement, weight.
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09/23/2013 6:46 pm
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for reordering the images.

The 1874 CC Trade dollar is fake.
The 1844 Seated dollar is fake.
The 1893 (O? S?) Barber half is fake
The 1834 bust half is fake
The 1878 half dollar is fake
The 1869 dollar is fake
The 1796 dollar is fake
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 Posted 09/24/2013  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't realize that was a key date. I wasn't even expecting a fake barber! Just goes to show how careful you really have to be...
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