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Sorry, no pic.
Found a 1785 Vermontis copper at a local shop.
Considering picking it up. It is priced at $300. It has G details with environmental damage. Thoughts on price?
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Just double checking. Ryder 4 (and 5) are VERMONTIS. Would sure like to see it. Which side of the landscape is the sun on?
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Unfortunately, I did not take a pic (or even a mental pic for that matter). Just looking for some general info on rarity as I know little about Vermont coppers but I do know the 1785 series was fairly desirable. I saw the landscape and the flip said VERMONTIS, which is really all I can remember at this point (my memory is bad). Figured at $300 it might be worth picking up.
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Ok I see now, Ryder 5 was a contemporary counterfeit. There is no way I can discern a fake of a fake, at least not in Vermonts.
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There are both cast and struck copies of Ryder 5 , both of which I'm sure you don't have.
1785 are of the VERMONTS and VERMONTIS varieties of Landscape coppers, Ryder 2-4.
There were 3 varieties of the 1786 Landscapes, VERMONTENSIUM, Ryder 6-8.
If a pic can be posted, that would be of great help.
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There are both cast and struck copies of Ryder 5 , both of which I'm sure you don't have. Oh, you're no fun anymore! |
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While I am sure the Ryder 5 is un-obtainably rare, I would worry that the one in the shop is a modern fake of Ryder 5. I will stop by after work, take some pics, and post my findings.
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My memory really stinks because it is actually $500. Sorry for the horrendous pics but this is all I have to work with. Thoughts (before I spend $500)?   |
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Weight? Does it ring when tapped with another coin? Tough for this modestly educated eye to tell from the pic ... possibly, a cast copy?
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Not in my possession so I cannot provide weight or do any additional tests.
In hand, it has a natural patina and surfaces that I would describe as "environmental damage" or just plain corrosion.
Some high spots show a bright copper color coming through where rubbed.
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Is it just me or does the plow look awfully close to the landscape for Ryder 4?
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It is not Ryder 4.
It appears to be a struck copy. My guess is more modern than made to look old.
The M in VERMONTIS is a real good clue.
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