Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsCoin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Bust Right Constantinopolis

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 10 / Views: 1,988Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community

United States
1315 Posts
 Posted 09/28/2013  7:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

I just got this little Constantinopolis coin to add to my collection.

15mm, 1.2g.

It is an unofficial coin and believe the mint mark would Trier. First time I've seen a right facing bust.


Bust-Right-Constantinopolis
Pillar of the Community
Ancientnoob's Avatar
United States
5155 Posts
 Posted 09/28/2013  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's great I love it!
Pillar of the Community
Ben's Avatar
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 09/28/2013  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those imitators often got things wrong. I've got a fel temp somewhere thats the wrong way round...

They did a good job on rendering here, though.
Moderator
Learn More...
echizento's Avatar
United States
23731 Posts
 Posted 09/28/2013  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Barb, excellent details.
Pillar of the Community
United States
549 Posts
 Posted 09/29/2013  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is an excellent imitation with the right-facing bust being very unusual. To see some left-facing (normal) imitations, visit here:
http://esty.ancients.info/imit/imitCONST.html br /
In England they are very common in sizes significantly smaller than the (already small) AE4 originals. Nearly full size imitations are hard to find.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1315 Posts
 Posted 09/29/2013  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link augustus1. I actually have it bookmarked, but it's good to revisit in light of new context. I have a couple of other very tiny and crude examples like some on your page.

I received a comment on another site that stated that my coin was 'unofficial' but not necessarily 'barbarous'. Is there a way to tell the difference? I wasn't aware of this distinction.

Thanks all for your comments.

Pillar of the Community
Masis's Avatar
United Kingdom
946 Posts
 Posted 09/29/2013  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I received a comment on another site that stated that my coin was 'unofficial' but not necessarily 'barbarous'. Is there a way to tell the difference? I wasn't aware of this distinction.~Doucet


Though most of the "Barbarian" successor kingdoms would base their coinage on Roman types, if not reuse Roman coins (such as the countermarked Assarii of Vespasian used by the Ostrogoths) what is termed "Barbarous radiate / AE3/4" were unofficially issued coins struck by Roman citizens, i.e. within the Empire and not from without.

So "Unofficial" is essentially the correct term for "Barbarous" in reference to unoffical Roman AE coins.

Of course we know about the Danubian Celtic imitations of Macedonian Tetradrachm, in that sense these are "Barbarous" imitiations, in reference to Greek AR coins.

Bust-Right-Constantinopolis
http://www.coinproject.com/coin_det...?coin=269412

Bust-Right-Constantinopolis
http://www.edgarlowen.com/a44cg.shtml
Edited by Masis
09/29/2013 11:27 am
Pillar of the Community
chrsmat71's Avatar
United States
4971 Posts
 Posted 09/29/2013  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
now that's an interesting pick up doucet! congrats on that one!
Pillar of the Community
TJsCoins's Avatar
United States
3229 Posts
 Posted 09/29/2013  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Official coin...dyslexic celetor...that's my call.

Nice coin Doucet!
Pillar of the Community
United States
1315 Posts
 Posted 09/29/2013  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sort of my first thoughts too TJ.

Thanks.

And thanks for that clarification Masis.
Pillar of the Community
United States
549 Posts
 Posted 09/30/2013  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For years "unofficial" and "barbarous" were synonyms to most writers. A local down the road could make a "barbarous" radiate without being a barbarian in the non-Roman sense. Writers and especially dealers make far more assertions about this or that coin being made by German barbarians, or Vandals, than justified by the evidence. Many types formerly thought to be "Vandal" are not even primarily found in Africa! Many "migration era" imitations are from the "migration era" if and only if you count that era as including the times of the prototypes. Kent and others have pretty much shown that virtually all imitations of Constantinian-family types are from the periods when the prototypes were circulating. So, I am still willing to call "barbarous radiates" by that term, although to be technical they are "unofficial."

About the right-facing coin: Official coins of that type tend to be 17 mm, not 15. They tend to be a bit heavier that that coin. I classify it as a remarkable unofficial coin.
  Previous TopicReplies: 10 / Views: 1,988Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.29 seconds to rattle this change. Forums