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Gallic Potins - 1st Century BC

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Picked these up recently - they were in a lot of 13 coins, one of which I was interested in. I may post that one when it arrives but I need it in hand before I can work out fully what it is, it could be interesting

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I'd never even heard of 'Potins' before! As far as I can tell they are cast Celtic coins made in Gaul from about 100BC until the area was absorbed by the Romans.

Anyone got any experience of these or know any good ID sources
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There is wildwinds of course, if you google "celtic coin identification" there seem to be a number of resources.
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Unfortunately I've already Googled myself into confusion pishpash

I think the bottom right is from the Sequani tribe (modern day Switzerland/Eastern France area) and shows a kneeling antelope on the reverse. Dates to around 70-50 BC. It looks like it might clean up a little and clearly shows the casting sprues from its manufacture.

An example from Wildwinds
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Got a bit of spare time so might see if I can work out some of the others now. I have a nasty feeling I've discovered yet another area of coins that I need to spread my already thinly spread buying power into
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Bottom middle looks like Leuci tribe (modern day Metz / Nancy) and shows head, right with three locks of hair and a boar standing left with circular designs below it.

Again from Wildwinds but with a left facing bust.
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Beat me to it. I was going to say bottom middle looks like this one.

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found here: http://www.ancient-art.com/celtic.htm

Henri De la Tour seems to the reference.

Neat coins, looks like your having fun.
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Nice to have it confirmed


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Neat coins, looks like your having fun.


A lot more than I thought - nice to be a 'noob' again, its kinda exciting
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Pretty sure bottom left is Lingones tribe (again Eastern France).

Cant seem to get a good, standard description of the obverse and reverse but it seems to be three fish? circling a centre pellet with more pellets outside and three revolving beasts/seahorses, again around a centre pellet.

A good example for sale on http://www.muenzauktion.com
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https://www.muenzauktion.com/cgb/it...r=EUR&save=1


I suspect top right may also be the same coin.
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Has there been a work published on Celtic potin coinage(s)?
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Got my first Celtic last month. Nothing spectacular, but it filled a hole in my in-progress themed collection

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Celtic Gaul, Leuci tribe potin.
80-20 BC
17.6 mm, 3.43 gm
Obv: bald warrior head left
Rev: boar standing left, three half circles below
Ref: BN 9100-9104, DLT 9044.1-9044.3 (one of those...)

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Has there been a work published on Celtic potin coinage?

I'm looking for one now Sel but no luck as yet - I'm sure someone will have written a good one at some point.

Ancient British Coins (Chris Rudd) is a Celtic book I've been recommended a few times but wont help with these French coins.

Will keep looking.

Good stuff ThisIsFun, nice to see I'm not alone
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This could be helpful. $75 USD though.

http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/cha...Default.aspx
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Oh, and this thread seems like a great place to post something I saw yesterday on TJ Buggey's site, the pages called 'The Most Beautiful Coins of Antiquity'.

http://tjbuggey.ancients.info/beaut.html

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Bill Blank nominated this stunning Celtic Stater. A stylistic gem! Somewhere between cave art and Picasso there was a Celtic engraver who should be honored among the best artists ever known. Makes me wonder if they had discovered a halucinogen that also improved eyesight. remarkable.

This is one of the most stunning coins I've ever seen. While the fine style of certain greek coins is always breathtaking, I'd never seen such artistry in a Celtic coin before. Tried to search for this particular coin but had no luck. Bet the price tag was stratospheric.

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Beginning to think my bottom right could actually be by the Turones tribe and showing a bull charging left. I thought it was going all too easily

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http://www.muenzauktion.com/cgb/ite...6896&lang=en


$75 is rather pricey. Fantastic gold coin TIF
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Interesting group of coins Bobby. Where they from digs in the UK?
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They are coming from Italy echizento.

I guess that backs up the IDs so far all being from SE France - Italy is not that much further South.

The final coin, top left may be too far gone for an ID but I'm thinking maybe one of the following, when in hand it might be easier:
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http://www.muenzauktion.com/shops/m...eine&lang=en
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They are coming from Italy echizento.

I guess that backs up the IDs so far all being from SE France - Italy is not that much further South.

The final coin, top left may be too far gone for an ID but I'm thinking maybe one of the following, when in hand it might be easier:
Gallic-Potins---1st-Century-BC
Gallic-Potins---1st-Century-BC

http://www.muenzauktion.com/shops/m...eine&lang=en
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