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sorry, I am not at all well versed in VAM's or errors, but what would cause the last two numbers in the date of a Morgan to be elevated above the plane of the first two numbers? Is this a die variety, VAM, or ? Thanksz for any educational input, bob |
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From my understanding, the numerals, letters and stars were hand punched; which would/could account for the amount of "levelness" in the characters.
I am sure that someone will come along and credit/discredit this response.
Good question!
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10/15/2013 3:34 pm
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What has been said is correct. Without a photo of the coin in Question calling a re punched date would be just a guess, as most of us have seen Machine Doubling that was just funky! Up load a photo of the obverse and reverse and we call make more educated call on it. |
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Would like to post a photo but I don't own the coin (yet!) but am thinking of buying it at a local shop in Houston, it is an 1882 S with the "82" on the same plane but elevated above the plane of the "18" preceding it. Also appears to have doubled stars and some doubling of letters surrounding the Liberty head. Thanksz for the input, I am still considering it and may have to swing back by the shop and pick it up on a hunch, it is BU and priced at $54. bob
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sorry, I am not the best at photography, here are photos, look at the position and size of the 2   some photos of the coin in question  |
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I think that at $50 it would be a good buy for an UNC 82-S Morgan. I am not sure about the date placement being "out of the ordinary", but the images are kinda small to make out any defining detail. I did not see any 82-S Varieties on NGC VarietyPlus. Here is the link for VAMWorld for 1882-S with quite a few images to compare yours to. Research is half the fun! http://www.vamworld.com/1882-S+VAMs |
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First off it looks real even with the little photos. I have a few 1882 Morgans that have funky dates. The "raised metal" I have 3 and non are known as a re-punched date.
ANACS has a great attribute named John Roberts, so if you where planning on having it graded just add attribution. He lives less then 40 miles from Leroy Van Allen I think so if he sees it as knew he will let you know.
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The stars and letters have some "halo" effect, in the pic it looks like doubling, but it is a "frosty" double image without any raised metal, reminds me of the cameo proofs where you have some areas frosted. /will try to get better pics, if you also look at the distance from the bottom of the one to the dentils and the bottom of the two to the dentils it is at an angle. Thanksz for all the input, bob
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Went back to school on photo taking, here is a new image that should shed light on the situation. It appears to me the second "8" is smaller that the first, then the "2" is even smaller with both the last 8 and the 2 being progressively higher above the dentils. Any ideas what may be causing the "ghost" images on the stars, etc. it is as if they are "cameo" images without any raised metal..Thanksz, bob   |
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I know I had that first image rotated correctly, don't know what happened to second, copied from my photobucket account
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You'll find this "halo" to be a typical effect on a Morgan. The striking process creates small areas of somewhat-differing hardness (as I understand it), causing some areas to resist toning/natural weathering to a greater degree than others. This is, to me, an argument in favor of your coin being totally original-surface. Early San Francisco Morgans are particularly noted for it. Here's one which wandered under my lens a few years ago:  And as has been stated, the differing location of the 82 is not unusual. |
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Is it OK with the rules committee/monitors if I state here that I have placed this coin in the community auctions? If not I am sure this will be deleted. Thanksz, bob
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