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1807 Half Cent Overstruck

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I have an 1807 Half Cent that was overstruck on the reverse. I sent to ANACS to be slabbed and when it came back (with F12 grade) there was no mention of the mint error.

So, my questions are:
1) Is it normal for ANACS not to mention obvious mint error?
2) How do the details of the coin suffer when a coin is struck twice? I would assume the second strike would cause some flatness and loss of detail, and therefore, how is it treated when grading a coin?

Thank you,

Vlad

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 Posted 10/16/2013  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an interesting coin. Not sure what is going on. Welcome back after a year hiatus.
Ten year old pictures dated 11/11/2003 Wrong camera date?
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What a fascinating coin. For the life of me I do not understand why ANACS didn't do *something* about the error.
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thank you. I plan to resend it to ANACS to have the coin re-evaluated with correct error designation. related to nothing, but I find ANACS (at least now) to be the most conservative, and since coins are just my hobby, I'm actually not happy that people talk about pcsg and put ANACS into the lower tier.
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Sorry, yes, the scans are from 2003 ... but the coin did not endure much wear since then :)

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Were this coin mine to grade, I think I'd only take the broadest of indications from the reverse and base 80% of my grading opinion on the obverse. I'm fascinated at the interaction between the two strikes - the "full" strike is obviously the newer yet it has weaknesses I wouldn't necessarily expect, where the older, off-center strike retains more detail than it probably ought.
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OK. Thank you for noticing that. I was wondering if the off center strike occurred first. Interesting point, if the planchet was improperly struck before correct 1807 strike, then I would agree with F12, but would still like to have a notation on the slab.
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The fact that the on-center strike "overwrote" details on the off-center one makes me think it was the second strike. I'd expect the off-center head to obliterate Half Cent if it were the second.
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good point. I was wondering why " Half Cent" was so clear...
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I think you'll have to ask (and pay extra) for ANACS to add whatever attribution(s) are appropriate.
But whatever, that's one heck of a coin.
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...that's always been my understanding too.
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That is very cool...nothing more to add.
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It's going back to ANACS within a day or two. Once I hear back from them I'll update the thread. Meanwhile, thanks to everyone who posted, this really is a very cools coin....
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Could it be a flipover? Appears LIBERTY or remnants of it, are struck on the reverse.
Fascinating coin!
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I see what Vermont is seeing. Check out Liberty's nose where the fraction is, forehead right under AMERICA, the hair ribbon under Half Cent, and the date right under UNITED is near the rim. Goodness what a fascinating discovery piece!
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Great piece, and looks like a flip over double strike.

Nice!
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