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Petersun - I don't own anything like this, but I do own/have owned some key dates in good shape. It's been my experience that ICCS is typically more conservative with key dates.
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Does the raity of this coin give the ICCS grader a chance to be biased? The same coin in the same condition minted in 2013 might not even get a MS 64 or AU 59. Who knows if the prints are old fingerprints Raise your hand if you think a coin dated 1921 should be graded with the same standards of one dated 2013. (I hope no one raised their hand!) |
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Or they are hoping someone buys the holder/story. I haven't seen this piece in hand. But regardless of how that mark got there, a mark of that size in a prime focal area should preclude it from MS65.
I've seen the coin 'in-hand'. Comparing it to other ICCS KGV halves, it's a definite ms65. |
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Yeah, if it weren't a 1921, I expect everyone would be vicious about the fingerprint and ding.
Was the fingerprint from the thief?
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 The coin appears to be an MS-65 judging from the scans. Keep in mind, this is not an MS-70, as a matter of fact I.C.C.S. has never given a grade beyond MS-66 for any 1921 half. I.C.C.S. grades by technical merit and does not use eye appeal as part of their criteria which would make the barely visible print inapplicable. I find the mark on the bridge of the nose not distracting by any means, as a matter of fact, I.C.C.S. does allow for a few marks on MS-65 coins. If you doubt me, just look at your own MS-65 coins slabbed by I.C.C.S. The coin does not show any signs of an old cleaning/dipping and would look OHHHHHH soooo Sweet in my Collection!  |
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I've seen the coin 'in-hand'.
Comparing it to other ICCS KGV halves, it's a definite ms65. I too have seen the coin 'in hand'. There is a good reason why it is in an ICCS holder, because there is no way this coin will get an MS-65 grade in a PCGS holder. A serious registry set player (which goes without saying, if a mint state 1921 half is sought after) is not going to pay MS-65 money and put in in a holder that will say MS-64... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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SPP-Ottawa...interesting.
Wasn't there a 1921 half graded by PCGS as an ms65 about 25 years ago, that ICCS graded AU-58?
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...there is no way this coin will get an MS-65 grade in a PCGS holder. I believe this coin was in a PCGS MS65 holder when it sold 7 or 8 years ago for about half of what it is being offered at now. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 I have a hard time believing that! Every Mintstate coin I've ever cracked out of a P.C.G.S. holder has always come back 2-4 grade points less when re-submitted to I.C.C.S. Glenn  |
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"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
11/15/2013 11:01 pm
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@glenzy: YOU cracked them out? Sent them into ICCS without the prevailing opinion?
The repeated claim on here is that for the real nosebleed stuff, PCGS does grade Canadiana accurately. I expect this coin can't be anonymous. Even if it was cracked out, it is known. So, given knowledge where it came from, would ICCS have the guts to downgrade it?
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 Dialog_gvf, this was when I first started Collecting and did not have much Knowledge on T.P.G.'s and had a limited amount of space in my safety deposit box. A P.C.G.S. coin has NOT stepped into my residence in over 15 years and NEVER will. Glenn  |
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I got an email from TCNC saying that the '21 half was sold, but does anyone know the selling price? It seems like they're keeping it a secret...
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